Confirmation of births 1851-1868

[jood]

Whilst I do have some Australian discs, the one I want to use will not open, as the disks were made for older computers. I'm hoping an aussie might have the disc and can look something up for me.

I just want confirmation of the undermentioned births, plus there is one chil's name missing. Parents were Thomas & Elizabeth Abell (could be spelt Abel)

John Perkins Casper Shum Abell b 1851 England, d 23/may/1932 Boort

Thomas George Abell b 1855 Sandhurst, d 1935 Melb

Charles Augustus Abell b 1856 Dunolly, d –

Henry William Abell b 1858 Ballarat, d 1864 Sandhurst

Alice Eliza Abell b 1860 Amherst Vic, d –

George Clift Abell b 1862 Amherst, d 1862 Amherst Vic

Elizabeth L Abell b abt 1862, d 1888 Sandhurst

Albert Edward Abell b 1863 Sandhurst, d –

Elizabeth Collins Abell b 1884 , d 1884 Sandhurst

George Frederick b 1865 Sandhurst, d 1936 Maroopna Vic

Louisa Abell b 1867 Sandhurst, d 1868 Sandhurst

There is a child missing, and we want to find out who-when-where etc.

It is so annoying as I actually live in Bendigo (formerly Sandhurst), and am doing this for a friend in Tasmania. We are interested where they died also, as the friend is shortly visiting Bendigo and I wanted to have all the information ready for her. I think it is a Pioneer record I'm looking for. They made 2 (an updated one) I've lost my original and its the updated one I can't load.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi,

Birth registration - 1852 - District Whitechapel - Vol 1c/Page 384 - Jan/Feb/Mar 1/4

John Perkins Casper Shum Abell

 

[jood]

Thanks Julie, but where is Whitechapel - isn't that in the UK? I was looking for a birth in a district similar to where the others were born in Victoria, Australia. Did you see all the other births there?

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Jood,

The inferred county for the birth registration for Whitechapel is London in England.

 

[juliejtp]

Most of the other children you listed appear on the Australian birth index on the site I use except for Elizabeth L and Elizabeth Coillins.

 

[jood]

Thanks again Julie - I just realised I already had that child and yes, he wasborn in England before his parents arrived here.

What I am looking for is another child born in Australia.

Here's some of his history (abbrev)
Thomas Abell was born at Daventry, Northamptonshire, Eng about 1826 and immigrated to Australia about 1852. In 1851 he married Elizabeth Ann Clift. They arrived in the colony between 1853-54. Their first child John had been born in London in 1852, but next child a son was born in Sandhurst c1854 - this is the missing unnamed child according to somebody else's research.(the next child being Thomas George, tho it says the previous two children were alive)

I have listed the rest of the children, and just wanted them confirmed (including deaths) from the Victorian Pioneers disc (mine does not work)

 

[jood]

What was the info on the two Elizabeths then? Does it also show their deaths?

Sorry, our emails crossed lol

 

[gibbo]

These burials any good to you Jood?
I only posted them cause im not sure if the link will work. Not sure how any might be the ones your looking for neither.

ABELL, ANNIE LOUISA
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 27/01/1868
Interment Number: 2923
Cemetery: BENDIGO
Section: MON C3
Grave Number: 2923

ABELL, COLINS ELIZABETH
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 30/08/1884
Interment Number: 9206
Cemetery: BENDIGO
Section: MON A6
Grave Number: 9206

ABELL, ELIZABETH
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 8/08/1890
Interment Number: 11561
Cemetery: BENDIGO
Section: MON M7
Grave Number: 11561

ABELL, ELIZABETH
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 15/02/1888
Interment Number: 10822
Cemetery: WHITE HILLS
Section: MON H1
Grave Number: 10822

ABELL, LUDWIG AGUSTUS
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 1/01/1885
Interment Number: 3107
Cemetery: EAGLEHAWK
Section: MON A2
Grave Number: 282

ABELL, SARAH
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 12/04/1894
Interment Number: 12418
Cemetery: WHITE HILLS
Section: MON K1
Grave Number: 12418

ABELL, THOMAS
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 11/04/1892
Interment Number: 12207
Cemetery: BENDIGO
Section: MON M7
Grave Number: 11561

ABELL, WILLIAM HENRY
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 2/12/1864
Interment Number: 1886
Cemetery: BENDIGO
Section: MON G5
Grave Number: 1886

http://www.bencemtrust.com.au/search.asp?search=true&sSurname=abell&sInitial=&sYear=

 

[gibbo]

Not sure if you want or need any of this but there was a inquest into the death of Henry William Abell b 1858 Ballarat, d 1864 Sandhurst

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/88005513?searchTerm="thomas abell"&

Hope the link works cause i've been having trouble posting links from Trove
Damn link It wont work for me.
The article is in the
Bendigo Advertiser (Vic. : 1855 - 1918)
Saturday 3 December 1864

 

[jood]

Sorry I am slow answering gibbo - I am in the middle of sorting out which graves she has pics of and which names she does not have a grave for (very difficulrt when it's not your own family !!!)

Thanks for that site on Henry (I could open it up by the way) - I'll put it to one side for a minute while I sort out the missing graves. She will be thrilled to find out what happened to one of the children.

Ironically the old man Thomas Abell himself was a funeral director here in Bendigo!

Will be back soon

 

[jood]

I think I've sorted it out a bit better now

John Perkins Casper Shum Abell b 1851 England, d 23/may/1932 Boort (Boort a bit far away to check info and visit grave, tho I'd still like to find it)
Thomas George Abell b 1855 Sandhurst, d 1935 Melb OK
Charles Augustus Abell b 1856 Dunolly, d – Dunolly a bit out from Bendigo, would still like to find grave)
Henry William Abell b 1858 Ballarat, d 1864 Sandhurst OK
Alice Eliza Abell b 1860 Amherst Vic, d – Down near Ballarat - too far away
George Clift Abell b 1862 Amherst, d 1862 Amherst Vic ditto
Elizabeth L Abell b abt 1862, d 1888 Sandhurst OK
Albert Edward Abell b 1863 Sandhurst, d – Can't find
Elizabeth Collins Abell b 1884 , d 1884 Sandhurst OK
George Frederick b 1865 Sandhurst, d 1936 Maroopna Vic (too far away)
Louisa Abell b 1867 Sandhurst, d 1868 Sandhurst OK

Would also like to find where Mary Ann Wilkins (nee Abell) died 7 Mar 1861 White Hills, she is a sister of Thomas Abell.

And last but not least, who the 12th child was, - he/she were born in 1854 - so where buried?

Thomas Abell was born at Daventry, Northamptonshire, Eng about 1826 and immigrated to Australia about 1852. In 1851 he married Elizabeth Ann Clift. They arrived in the colony between 1853-54. Their first child John had been born in London in 1852, but next child a son was born in Sandhurst c1854 - this is the missing unnamed child according to somebody else's research.(the next child being Thomas George, tho it says the previous two children were alive)

 

[gibbo]

Jood has anyone gotten the death cert. for Thomas or Elizabeth. If filled out correctly it should state the kids names. Maybe it might have the missing child's name on it.

 

[jood]

Blinky server went down - couldnt get an email out to the friend I'm doing this for - but ... I'll be back!!!!!!!!!!!!! (to ask friend if she had the death certs)

 

[gibbo]

Jood i think i found Albert Edward ... in South Australia.
See what you think

Marriage
year 1892
Reg 173/209
Groom ABELL Albert Edward
Bride MORRISSEY Bessey
District Adelaide

Death index
Year 1914
Reg 385/348
Name ABELL Albert Edward
District Adelaide

Burial index
Name: Abell, Albert Edward
Date of Death: 20 July 1914
Age: 49 Years
Last Abode:
Service Type: Burial
Cemetery: West Terrace Cemetery
Section: Road 4
Path Number: 13
E/W: W
Site Number: 34

The Register (Adelaide, SA : 1901 - 1929)(about)
Monday 20 July 1914
A SUDDEK DEATH.
Dr.'Wells noKfi,ed the Watch house on Saturday that -at about 5.45 a.m.s he was summoned to see Albert Abell (59), a dealer, residing at Hanson street. Whon the doctor arrived the man was dead in bed. Deceased was attended by. Dr. Wells about five weeks ago, when his back troubled him.


It appears that Bessey is actually Bridget She is buried with Albert anyway

Name: Abell, Bridget
Date of Death: 30 January 1915
Age: 46 Years
Last Abode:
Service Type: Burial

Cemetery: West Terrace Cemetery
Section: Road 4
Path Number: 13
E/W: W
Site Number: 34

Her death index and Albert is mentioned.

year 1915
reg 390/461
Name ABELL Bridget
Relatives name Albert Edward ABELL (DH)
District Adelaide

 

[jood]

It looks fantastic Gibbo! I've just sent the email off to Tasmania, I might not hear till tomorrow morning,but I am really happy with it.

Thank you!

 

[gibbo]

Of course not 100% confirmed his the right one, maybe the marriage cert. might have parents names or something on it to help confirm it totally. BUT it does look good for it been him.

 

[jood]

It is certainly looking good, I'll be anxious to hear from my friend.

Now I am wondering if Thomas's sister Mary Ann Wilkins nee Abell died 7 mar 1861 White Hills went walkabout, tho it is said she was buried at white Hills, (Bendigo) but I have no proof.

 

[gibbo]

It is certainly looking good, I'll be anxious to hear from my friend.

Now I am wondering if Thomas's sister Mary Ann Wilkins nee Abell died 7 mar 1861 White Hills went walkabout, tho it is said she was buried at white Hills, (Bendigo) but I have no proof.

I havent been able to find anything on her, tho i did find a mention in Trove of a Julia Farrell sister to Thomas Abell but whether its your Thomas mentioned i dont know. Do you know if Thomas had a sister named Julia?

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Tuesday 8 February 1853

THOMAS ABEL, late of Satlars, will hear of his sister Julia at Gisborne.
JULIA FARRELL.

 

[jood]

I'll have to ask her Gibbo - she didn't give me all her tree, just Thomas's children, but then she did mention the one sister.

 

[gibbo]

I'll have another look tomorrow