Confirming a common name birth. James Taylor 1890

[karen]

I am trying hard to get this post in the correct format, following the rules and in the right place.
I have posted previously on James Taylor/McCoy and people have been very helpful.
To recap James Taylor b circa 1890 to james Taylor and Mary McCoy. Census reports are below. It shows James born after Mary McCoy's husband has died whilst James taylor is her lodger., later census shows them living as husband and wife with the younger children listed as Taylor.
I have found a baptismal certificate 29/06/1890 St Nicolas Aston as James Taylor but obviously want a birth certificate. This is where I am struggling as it is such a common name. I cannot find a birth under McCoy but there is one on free BMD which might match although after baptism date?

Taylor James Aston 6d 379 sept 1890 Aston Birmingham.

can I find out parents name using this reference on any other site or do I have to order the certificate? As I live in Birmingham can I view the full entry before purchase? If this is incorrect how do you suggest I proceed with such a common name?


1891
MCCOY, Mary A Head Widow F 41 1850 Lathe Worker Birmingham
MCCOY, David Son Single M 15 1876 Iron Caster Birmingham
MCCOY, Sarah Daughter Single F 13 1878 Birmingham
MCCOY, William Son M 11 1880 Birmingham
MCCOY, Annie Daughter F 5 1886 Birmingham
MCCOY, Edward Son M 3 1888 Birmingham
MCCOY, James Son M 1 1890 Birmingham
TAYLOR, Edward Lodger Single M 38 1853 Labourer Birmingham

Piece:2419 Folio:19 Page: 31

Registration District: Aston
Civil Parish: Nechells
Municipal Borough: Birmingham

Address: 4, 20 Court, Adam Street, Nechells, Birmingham Warwickshire

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Warwickshire

Registration district:Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston

Piece: 2870 Folio: 157 Page Number: 39

all born Birmingham
Census 1901

Edward Taylor 51 navvy
Mary A Taylor 49 wife
Edward Taylor 10 son
James Taylor 8 son
William Mc Coy 20 step son brickcaster
Sarah Mc Coy 22 step dau w'house hand

address
74 Richard St, Aston

 

[horse]

Hi Karen

Your query is very clear and you have probably answered your own question.

I think the simple answer is to order the birth certificate for the following reasons (unless someone else has a more favourable suggestion):

* Her husband died in 1889 so he is discounted.
* Edward Taylor, lodger was there in 1891, a possible surname.
* There is a possible birth Q3 in 1890 that you have found and fits fairly well.
* I don't think there is a way of finding the parents at that time unless you have access to parish registers or it is recorded on a 'tree' and validated.

I would query his age in 1891, the census was taken in April, so James would be between 6 and 9 months old when then the census was taken, not one year. Though this could be a minor issue.

Births are usually recorded the mother's name in these circumstances, though it didn't always happen (perhaps someone will say if I'm wrong).

Geoff

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Karen
my understanding---

I have found a baptismal certificate 29/06/1890 St Nicolas Aston as James Taylor but obviously want a birth certificate. This is where I am struggling as it is such a common name. I cannot find a birth under McCoy but there is one on free BMD which might match although after baptism date?

Because the baptism was on the 29th June, chances are it was reistered in July. This would put it in the Sept quarter.

Taylor James Aston 6d 379 sept 1890 Aston Birmingham.

this is the info you will need to order a birh cert. You can stipulate that if the parents are not as you state, they should not issue the cert, or charge you. This ref is that of the GRO and details can only be obtained from them - http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp. Do not order through an agent as it will cost a lot more than direct from the GRO

You should be able to see details of the baptism as you know the church. The gen library will probably have these records, so I would say it's worth paying a visit. The staff are usually very helpful and should show you were the records are kept and how to use a microfiche reader.

dave

 

[gibbo]

It seems that Edward possibly belonged to the Taylor fella as well

In the 1891 census he is noted as Edward MCCoy and in the 1901 census his noted as Edward Taylor.

 

[horse]

If Edward was b. 1888 that may be a problem, I think her husband, Joseph didn't die until 1889, assuming I've got the correct husband.

However, in 1901 Edward's age is given as 10, if this is the case then he would be Edward senior's...

Geoff

 

[karen]

If Edward was b. 1888 that may be a problem, I think her husband, Joseph didn't die until 1889, assuming I've got the correct husband.

However, in 1901 Edward's age is given as 10, if this is the case then he would be Edward senior's...

Geoff

Thanks but you have the wrong husband. Mary was Married to David McCoy.
Edward, Annie and James all are born after he died and later become Taylors and are baptised as Taylors.
I am still unable to find a marriage between Mary and Edward snr but as her maiden name may well have been Taylor she may have just reverted to this without a marriage perhaps??

 

[horse]

Thanks for that, Karen.

Geoff

 

[horse]

There is a death registered:
Q3 1884 David McCoy, 41, Birmingham, [6d, 99] - is that him?

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

Thanks but you have the wrong husband. Mary was Married to David McCoy.
Edward, Annie and James all are born after he died and later become Taylors and are baptised as Taylors.
I am still unable to find a marriage between Mary and James snr but as her maiden name may well have been Taylor she may have just reverted to this without a marriage perhaps??

Hi Karen,

I cant find a marriage neither. Have you got them on the 1911 census? Would be interesting if they noted how long they had been married for or if they left that section blank

 

[karen]

Hi Karen,

I cant find a marriage neither. Have you got them on the 1911 census? Would be interesting if they noted how long they had been married for or if they left that section blank

Edward died in 1906 so Mary is classed as a widow in 1911- doesnt say to which husband but she is using Taylor (which may have been her maiden name anyway)

Only my Grandfather could be so difficult. I have 2 elderly Aunts and they cant agree on his birthday, one is adament it was 5th Nov the other June!!
They both insist their grandparents name was Badgioli (sp) and originated from Italy and ran an icecream round!!!
Needless to say I cant find any evidence of either.

 

[horse]

Hi Karen

There is a marriage:

Q3 1864
Fifield Richard [6d,244]
McCoy David [6d, 244]
Taylor Mary Ann [6d,244]

It seems too early, but the 1881 census suggests she was b. abt 1848. David b. abt 1843, which would tie in with a David Mccoy b. Madeley, Shropshire and moved to Birmingham before 1861 and also be right for his death if 1884.

If this was them she would only be 16 when married.

It would also mean her maiden name was Taylor.

May be worth consideration.

Geoff

PS Birmingham marriage

 

[karen]

Thanks Horse

This confirms what I already have
I guess until I can trace GF James Taylor I will not get a good handle on GGF Edward Taylor.
No one can find a marriage between Edward Taylor and Mary McCoy nee Taylor , I suspect there may not be one. I also wonder whether he had a previous marriage? but as Taylor is such a common name I think it will be difficult to verify.
I intend to try to spend some time at Birmingham library and see if I can go any further.
Being new to all this I do appreciate all the help people offer.

 

[karen]

There is a death registered:
Q3 1884 David McCoy, 41, Birmingham, [6d, 99] - is that him?

Geoff

Yes I belive so thanks