COOK family in Lancashire

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

Ok, thanks. So he went to Australia any time between 1881 and 1915.

Last one. Please see if you can find Alice Emily after 1881. Thanks.

1881 U.K census
Longbridge Hse, Kings Norton
COOK Alice E abt 1860 age 21 Teacher Birkenhead

Births Mar 1860
COOK Alice Emily Wirral 8a 466


Regards,

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Dave,

Can't find her after 1881, but did she marry.?

Name: Alice Cook
Year of Reg: 1884
Qtr of Reg: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Kidderminster
County: Hereford and Worcester, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 254

Grooms listed - Albert Edward Davies - Alfred Bell Doughty - Arthur Rollings.

Kidderminster 3 miles down the road from Kings Norton.


Steve.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

Thanks. Yes, it's a possibility. What, Warwickshire not listed as well. She would be the right age to expect that. I won't spend a lot of time looking further. I'm way out on a limb now. :2fun:

Regards,

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

Hope you're out on your good limb. >

 

[DaveHam9]

I'd really be lost if I couldn't use my right hand.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

1881
Dwelling 8 Victoria Park
Census Place Walton On Hill, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341883
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3688 / 60
Page Number 47

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph ATHERTON Head M Male 63 Walton, Lancashire, England Accountant
Margaret ATHERTON Wife M Female 59 Walton, Lancashire, England
Annie ATHERTON Daur U Female 31 Walton, Lancashire, England
Webster ATHERTON Son U Male 29 Walton, Lancashire, England Accountant
Ada ATHERTON Dau U Female 27 Walton, Lancashire, England
Joseph ATHERTON Son U Male 21 Kirkdale, Lancashire, England Commercl Clerk
Mary WOOD Servt U Female 17 Walton, Lancashire, England Gen Serv

Please see if you can find the family in 1871. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Dave,

1871 census.

Name: Joseph Atherton
Age: 52
Est. birth year: abt 1819
Spouse: Margaret

Where born: Over Septon, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Rainford
Eccl parish: All Saints
County: Lancashire

Address - Lime Grove.
Reg dist: Prescot
Sub-reg dist: Rainford
ED: 1

Joseph Atherton 52 . Occ.Accountant & Estate agent & Farmer of 35 acres.
Margaret Atherton 49 .Wife
Annie Atherton 21 . Daughter
Webster Atherton 19 . Occ. Clerk in fathers office.
Ann Atherton 17 . Daughter.

All born Liverpool.

Steve.

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Dave,

1871 census.

Name: Joseph Atherton
Age: 11
Est birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Boarder

Where born: Walton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Eccl parish: St Bride
Town: Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Reg dist: Liverpool
Sub-reg dist: Mount Pleasant
ED: 34

Susannah Byarons 68 . Occ Teacher.
Emily Byarons 31 . Occ.Teacher.
Annie D Byarons 27 . Occ. Teacher.
Joseph Atherton 11 . Scholar.
Mary Shellman 25


Steve.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

Thank you very much.

1901 U.K census
Merton Place, Birkenhead, Cheshire
PAULL Frederick head abt 1843 age 58 Book Keeper Croydon Surrey
COOK Ellen M niece abt 1857 age 44 Housekeeper Liverpool Lancashire
BERRY Isabella (servant)

1911 HOUSEHOLD PAULL FREDERICK M 1843 68 Birkenhead Cheshire

I can't see Ellen in the 1911 Census Index so a possible death.

Deaths Sep 1908
COOK Ellen 47 W. Derby 8b 324

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Births Mar 1866
THURSTON Robert T Yarmouth 4b 29

THURSTON Robert 18 'Smyrna' 1883 Sydney Reels 2142, 2494
'Smyrna' 1305 tons departed Plymouth 29 Jun 1883 and arrived Sydney 29 Sep 1883

Robert THURSTON 18 Single Labourer Norfolk Wes Yes

All I have for his parents is mother = Annie. There are about 8 possible marriages in Norfolk but none that I can see in Yarmouth RD. I hope it's enough to find him in 1871.

Thanks.

I'll see If I can find Robert in 1881.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Of course. :2fun: I have to go digging for his parents.

1881
Source Information:
Census Place Surlingham, Norfolk, England
Family History Library Film 1341471
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1958 / 133
Page Number 20

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas RUMSBY Head M Male 51 Eaton, Norfolk, England Ag Lab
Sarah RUMSBY Wife M Female 49 Postwick, Norfolk, England
Robert THURSTON Nephew Male 15 Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Ag Lab

Marriages Mar 1852
Rumsby Thomas Blofield 4b 361
Thurston Sarah Blofield 4b 361

Regards,

Dave

 

[waynec43]

hello Dave, I dont know if you have this info already, but my great grand father was James Cook born 1840 in ashton under lyne, died 1919 in Wentworth falls NSW in 1919. If you would like further info on this line, please contact me
waynec43

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello waynec43 and welcome to the Forum


It's been a long time since I've looked at any of the COOK family. I know from memory that I was not at all sure I had the right James or the right birth or the right death.

First thing, I can't give you my email address until you have made 3 posts and your user name turns green.

More importantly, we had better see if we are talking about the same James COOK. I will have a look tonight and post details of a known event for the James in my tree.

I can't check a few things because the NSW BMD site is down again.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Birth 5006/1869 COOK JOSEPH J W - JAMES - MARY A - ST GEORGE ** 27 Apr 1869

Death 7741/1942 COOK JOSEPH JAMES WILCOX - JAMES - MARY ANN - BOWRAL ** 19 Apr 1942

Is this the correct marriage?

1243/1864 COOK JAMES - HUNT MARY ANN - ST GEORGE

Groom: James Cook
Status: Bachelor
Place of Birth: Not Stated
Occupation: Brickmaker
Age: Not Stated
Usual Residence: St Peters
Father: Not Stated
Occupation: Not Stated
Mother: Not Stated

Bride: Mary Ann Hunt
Status: Spinster
Place of Birth: Not Stated
Occupation: Not Stated
Age: Not Stated
Usual Residence: St Peters Cooks River
Father: Charles Hunt
Occupation: : Not Stated
Mother: Ann (Surname Not Stated)

Date of Marriage: 23 April 1864
Place of Marriage: St Peters, Cooks River Road NSW
Religion: Presbyterian
Minister: Wm S Donald
Witnesses: Henrietta McKenzie, John McKenzie

Note: The consent of Charles and Ann Hunt, Parents of the Bride was given to the Marriage.
Ref No.: 1864/1243

 

[waynec43]

Yes Dave, this is the same Marriage, James is my Great Grand father, born 1840 in Ashton under Lyne, Died 28th July 1919 in Wentworth Falls NSW. Mary Anne Cook (Hunt) ,born 1848 in bristol England and died 3rd January 1903 in McArthur stree Granville. James then Married Ann Ruddock Cook(Field) 5th October 1910 Burwood Baptist Church. Anne was born in 1862 and died in 1952 at Wentworth Falls

 

[DaveHam9]

Are these both correct then as far as you know?

Births Jun Qtr 1840
Cook James Ashton &c 20 4

James Cook born 12 Apr 1840 Bap St. Michael's, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire
- parents James Cook & Anne

Do you have Anne's maiden name?

So we are talking about the St. Peters brickmaker:

Insolvency Index
COOK James - Mary St St Peters Brickmaker 27/03/1879 14695 30/06/1880


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Do we have 2x James & Mary A COOK in Sydney? Do you know which children belong?

Children
2771/1864 COOK CLARA A JAMES MARY A NEWTOWN
2714/1866 COOK CHARLES R JAMES MARY A NEWTOWN
4659/1867 COOK LILLIAS A JAMES MARY A ST GEORGE
5006/1869 COOK JOSEPH J W JAMES MARY A ST GEORGE
5192/1871 COOK CHARLES D JAMES MARY A ST GEORGE
4061/1873 COOK LAURA MAUD JAMES MARY ANN NEWTOWN
4201/1875 COOK AMELIA EVA JAMES MARY ANN NEWTOWN
4412/1877 COOK NORAH E JAMES MARY A NEWTOWN
4984/1878 COOK MINNIE B JAMES MARY A NEWTOWN
5573/1880 COOK ADA ELIZA JAMES MARY ANN NEWTOWN
6520/1881 COOK GEORGE JAMES MARY NEWTOWN
14715/1882 COOK RUPERT JAMES MARY A PARRAMATTA


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There is a tree that has this for James:

James COOK b. 1840 Rochdale d. 1896 Granville
father - James COOK
mother - Ann WOOLEY

Death 13635/1896 COOK JAMES UNKNOWN UNKNOWN GRANVILLE ** 3 Dec 1896

 

[DaveHam9]

Do you have the arrival of the Hunt family?

If this is correct ...

Charles Hunt & Ann Carey
6 Dec 1841 Bristol, Gloucester, England
groom's father's name: James Hunt
bride's father's name: James Carey
Batch: M012752


... then the family arrived on the 'Java' in 1853 and Mary Ann and sister Elizabeth were born Gillingham, Dorset.

Death 3536/1880 HUNT CHARLES - THOMAS DIED COOKS RIVER NEWTOWN

Thomas is an error then.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 12 June 1880 p.16
FUNERALS
THE FRIENDS of the late Mr. CHARLES HUNT are respectfully invited to attend his Funeral, to move from his late residence, Cook's River, on SUNDAY AFTERNOON, at 3 o'clock , for St. Peter's Cemetery, CHARLES BOOTS, Undertaker, Hordern-street, Newtown.

THE FRIENDS of Mr. JAMES COOK are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral of his late beloved FATHER-IN-LAW, the late Mr. Charles Hunt, to move from his late residence, Cook's River, on SUNDAY AFTERNOON, at 3 o'clock, for St. Peter's Cemetery.
CHARLES BOOTS, Undertaker, Hordern-street, Newtown.


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 20028/1919 COOK JAMES - JOSEPH - HANNAH - PENRITH ** 28 Jul 1919

The parents don't agree. Are they both wrong or is the baptism the wrong one?

Is the tree totally wrong? It says James died in Granville and therefore didn't remarry.


I don't know what to believe. I don't have copies of any of the NSW certificates apart from the marriage I posted.

Dave

 

[waynec43]

Dave,
I have several pages of info on James. His parents are Joseph Cook and Hannah Cook(Wilcox). If you would like I could send what I have if you could let me know how or where to send it. Did you know that James was largely responsible for the opening of south granville public school in 1888?

 

[DaveHam9]

It seems the tree is totally wrong so I'll ignore it.

Do you have copies of the 1910 marriage and the 1919 death? Does it say how many years in NSW? Does it list both marriages and the children of the first?

I only have knowledge of the occupation as a brickmaker. I've been in contact with the stpeterscooksriverhistory people and they sent me baptisms of the children with dates that could not fit the known details from NSW BMD so I ignored those records. For example:

13/7/63 Clara Ann James Mary Ann Cook Brickmaker St. Peters

2771/1864 COOK CLARA A JAMES MARY A NEWTOWN ** 15 Jul 1864


Dave