Could someone see if they can find.....

[juliejtp]

William Wallis and wife Mary nee Knight. They married 25 Dec 1853 St Pancras Parish Chapel. Williams occupation is given as carpenter. I'm trying to find out if this Mary is my 2 great grans sister. Mary was born about 1836 could be Hackney, I haven't been able to find her baptism. Her father given on her marriage certificate is John Knight (dead). Both parents died in 1845.

Thank you.

 

[horse]

Hi Julie

There are a few possibilities as you've probably found... It may be worth considering, that on her marriage cert. she is of full age which would put her birth at or before 1832, assuming she wasn't telling porky's...

Geoff

 

[juliejtp]

Thanks Geoff,

I did notice full age. She may not have married in the London area, but I was hoping that if she did either her sister or brother may have been one of the witnesses.

 

[horse]

Thanks, Julie...

Have you got the names of her mum and siblings?

Geoff

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Geoff,

Mum and Dad John and Ann Knight both died in 1845. Siblings John Knight born 183 3 married Harriett Knight 1865 Paddington Green St. Mary. Sister Fanny Frances Knight married George Henry James 1863 St Pancras parish chapel . Fanny and George were witnesses to Johns marriage. Mary is the only one I've been unable to find after 1851. The 2 girls where living with their married aunt in Devon. Even though Mary has been enumerated as Elizabeth I'm quite sure they are the same.

 

[horse]

What a shame the marriages are not giving up John (father's) profession, just that he had died, I don't suppose you know that?

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Geoff,

Johns marriage gives his fathers occupation woollen draper, gt gt grans has him as dead/dec'd no occupation.

 

[horse]

Thanks, Julie I must have overlooked that...

There is a John and Ann Knight around the same time and he was a carpenter...

 

[horse]

Hi Julie

A minor nightmare trying to pull this family together, I notice son, John was bap. John James...

John James Knight
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 23 Jun 1833
Father: John Knight
Mother: Ann Knight
Parish: Westminster St Martin in the Fields
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
[Father's Occ: Woolen Draper]

In the 1841 census and his marriage he was just John Knight.
It looks as though his parents were not BIC..

Mary's marriage says she was of full age, but in reality she was about 17y if the census is correct.

The 1851 census fits apart from Eliz' instead of Mary, I can't see a marriage for Joseph Collins = Eliz Knight, so the aunt may be Ann's sister and may account for her and John knight being born out of county in 1841.

Ann's maiden name would help or discount

Geoff

Edit: Interesting they came back to London.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Geoff,

Thanks again. I do have Joseph Collins marriage certificate to Elizabeth her maiden name being Lang, (father John - late Royal Navy this from memory). Anns maiden name on Fannys birth cetficate is either Lang or Long. I did post a couple of years back to decipher the name but I have removed the attachment cant remember why.

 

[horse]

Hi Julie

Had another look, still no baptism for Mary, odd really, the others have baptisms.. I even checked for an Elizabeth as you probably have...

Certainly a bit of a mystery

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Geoff,

Marys the only baptism I cant find. The other 2 daughters who died young I have their baptisms.

 

[horse]

Hi Julie

I'd found one of the other daughters, but nothing helpful there.

Assuming Mary was baptised, there will probably be a transcription error along the way. John and Ann were seemingly married in Devon, they could have been away in 1836 when Mary was born. Not many options left.

Geoff

 

[juliejtp]

Thanks Geoff,

Was the marriage you found for John and Ann in Stoke Dameral?

The witnesses to Mary Knight and George Wallis marriage are Frederick and Louisa Beech. They married in 1845 and a Mary Knight and the other looks like George Knight where witnesses. Perhaps something will emerge later on.

Thanks again.

 

[horse]

Hi Julie

Yes, an IGI Indexed file:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
John Knight
Spouse: Ann Lang

Event Date: 25 Oct 1831
Event Place: Stoke Damerel,Devon

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05242-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 916925, 916926, 916927

Geoff