CRAIG family in Paisley, Renfrew in 1871

[DaveHam9]

I'd like a look up please for the following CRAIG family in Paisley, Renfrew in 1871.

Second marriage for both of them. Janet used her maiden name.

Janet ARROL & John CRAIG
16 Sep 1864 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Batch: M115731


John b. abt 1810 ?
Janet b. abt 1827
Daniel b. 5 Jan 1866 Paisley

Thanks,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1871 the only Daniel CRAIG b. 1866 Paisley with parents John CRAIG b. 1823 Paisley & Hannah CRAIG b. 1823 Ireland. John's occ is Woollen Weaver.
Six more CRAIG children on census, two children have middle of MILLER.
Hannah may be his 2nd wife.

What do you think, if correct, will include full details.

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking.

It looks like it's not the right family. Daniel's middle name is McCALLUM and his birth has an extracted IGI entry. This looks like his father's first marriage:

Spouse: Agnes MC CALLUM
Marriage: 19 Nov 1830 Paisley Abbey, Renfrew

hence the rough birth date I gave for John.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

No problems. Actually I came back to this one when I was searching the HOUSTON name and wondered were there any (craig/houston) marriages.
Just going by one of my crazy ideas.

I have three LAVIS/CULLEN/BARLETT families from Pitney/Low Ham area that all seemed to want to marry each another. Now that's crazy!!!!

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I only knew about Janet's marriage to John CRAIG because the name appeared in the death certificate of a daughter:

"846 Mary Clark ANGEL Shawl Warehousewoman (Single) - 1923 September Tenth 2h 55m PM 15 Craw Road (No Rm: 7 Sir Michael Street [Pl]) Paisley - F - 68 years - Samuel Angel Locomotive Stoker (deceased) Janet Angel afterwards Craig M.S. Arrol (deceased) - Carcinoma of stomach as cert. by J M L Wright L.R.C.P.- Daniel Craig Half-Brother Locher Cottage Bridge-of-Weir - 1923 September 10th at Paisley Wm L Campbell [Registrar]"

The PEACOCK/PEACOCK marriage is one of the few I've had like that. No progress on that one.

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

A definiate for Daniel in 1891

Civil parish Paisley abbey
Address 5, Alice Place, Neilson Street

Mary Arrol head age 57 born Ireland
James Arrol age 28 occ warehouse porter born Paisley
David Arrol age 22 occ house house painter born Paisley
Robert Arrol age 18 occ carter born Paisley
Thomas Arrol age 14 occ bleachfield worker born Paisley
Daniel Craig boarder age 25 occ shawl weaver born Paisley

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Oh "1871 the only Daniel CRAIG b. 1866 Paisley with parents John CRAIG b. 1823 Paisley & Hannah CRAIG b. 1823 Ireland. John's occ is Woollen Weaver. Hannah may be his 2nd wife."

Yes please, I'd like the listing because Janet died in 1868. So It looks as though John married a 3rd time.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thank you very much. No doubt that is Daniel but I have no clue at all re the rest of the family. None of those ARROLs are in my tree. Now I have to find out how they fit in.

Please see if you can find Mary and the children in 1881. If we work backwards first we might find her spouse. It could possibly be a James and a Mary THOMSON. But I don't have a James who would fit for the following marriage:

James ARROL Spouse: Mary THOMSON
Marriage: 2 Nov 1858 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Have added occ and pob for 1891 site was a bit slow earlier on.

This family in 1881, the children seem to match the ones in 1891 with a couple extra but the wife is a Ann McGee Arrol. See what you think.

1881

Civil parish Paisley Abbey

William Arrol head age 59 occ harness weaver born Paisley
Ann McGee Arrol wife age 46 born Paisley
Agnes dau age 21 occ mill worker thread born Paisley
John son age 19 occ boot finisher born Paisley
James son age 17 occ cloth lapper born Paisley
David son age 12 born Paisley
Robert son age 8 born Paisley
Thomas son age 4 born Paisley

 

[juliejtp]

Hi this was the only James and Mary Arrol (using soundtex).

1881

Civil parish Bathgate
County West Lothian
Address 89 Melbourne House

James Arrol head age 45 occ commerical cashier born Houston Renfrewshire
Mary wife age 43 born Strathearn Lanarkshire
James son age 17 occ asst chemist born Johnston Renfrewshire
Barbara W dau age 15 born Johnston
Thomas son age 13 occ app clerk (coml) born Johnston
Matthew T son age 11 born Glasgow
Mary dau age 9 born West Calder Mid Lothian
Charles son age 6 born West Calder
Margaret dau age 3 born West Calder
William son age 1 born Bathgate

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1871 Scotland census
Registration District: Abbey Burgh
Civil Parish: Abbey Burgh
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 12 Stock St

John CRAIG head b. abt. 1823 age 48 Woollen Weaver Paisley, Renfrewshire
Hannah CRAIG wife b. abt. 1823 age 48 Ireland
Agnes CRAIG daur b. abt. 1851 age 20 Wooleen Weaver Paisley, Renfrewshire
John CRAIG son b. abt. 1853 age 18 Finisley Of Woollen Cloth Paisley, Renfrewshire
Andrew CRAIG son b. abt. 1855 age 16 Shawl Weaver Paisley, Renfrewshire
Margaret CRAIG daur b. abt. 1857 age 14 Paisley, Renfrewshire
Janet Miller CRAIG daur b. abt. 1859 age 12 Paisley, Renfrewshire
James Millar CRAIG stepson b. abt. 1864 age 7 Paisley, Renfrewshire
Daniel CRAIG son b. abt. 1866 age 5 Paisley, Renfrewshire

cheers
crankypants (all spelling as per transcription)

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for that one.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello juliejtp,

Thanks for the listings.

Well now I don't have a William ARROL either. I wonder if it is coincidence that Daniel was with an ARROL family or if there is some close connection between William and his mother. I wonder if William is a sibling of James b. abt 1821 and Janet b. abt 1827 ? No William in IGI in Renfrew.born around the right time. Looks like I'm out of luck.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

I'd like a look up please for this family in 1871. Thanks.

1881
Civil parish Paisley Abbey

William Arrol head age 59 occ harness weaver born Paisley
Ann McGee Arrol wife age 46 born Paisley
Agnes dau age 21 occ mill worker thread born Paisley
John son age 19 occ boot finisher born Paisley
James son age 17 occ cloth lapper born Paisley
David son age 12 born Paisley
Robert son age 8 born Paisley
Thomas son age 4 born Paisley

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1871 Scotland census
Registration District: Abbey Burgh
Civil Parish: Abbey Burgh
Town: Paisley
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 3 Neilson St

William ARROLL head b. abt. 1821 age 50 Cotton Weaver Paisley, Renfrewshire
Ann ARROLL wife b. abt. 1833 age 38 Yarn Winder Paisley, Renfrewshire
Agnes ARROLL daur b. abt. 1860 age 11 Scholar Paisley, Renfrewshire
John ARROLL son b. abt. 1862 age 9 Scholar Paisley, Renfrewshire
James ARROLL son b. abt. 1863 age 8 Scholar Paisley, Renfrewshire
David ARROLL son b. abt. 1869 age 2 Paisley, Renfrewshire
William ARROLL son b. abt. 1870 age 7 mo Paisley, Renfrewshire

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Please see if you can find them in 1861. I hope by going back I'll get more clues as to how this William ARROL fits in my tree. There are many more members of that family than I expected.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1861 Scotland census
Registration District: Abbey Burgh
Civil Parish: Abbey Burgh
Town: Paisley
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 3 Neilson St

William ARROL head b. abt. 1823 age 38 Shawl Weaver Paisley, Renfrewshire
Ann ARROL wife b. abt. 1833 age 28 Weavers Winder Ireland
Agnes ARROL daur b. abt. 1860 age 1 Paisley, Renfrewshire


1851 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Abbey Burgh
Town: Paisley
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 1 Neilston Street

Ann ARROL head b. abt. 1792 age 59 Embroiderer Cotton Clath (muclin Sewer) Paisley, Renfrew
William ARROL son b. abt. 1818 age 33 Weaver Harness H L Paisley, Renfrew
Elizabeth ARROL b. abt. 1829 age 22 Thread Mill (cotton) Winder Worker Paisley, Renfrew

William's age is out but I think this is him.

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. You have just doubled the number of children for John ARROL and his spouse Ann TYTLER.

Death
Ann Arrol, widow of John Arrol (Weaver)
Died: 22nd August 1863, aged 78yrs
At: 69 Causeyside Street Paisley
Her parents:
William Tytler, Writers Clerk (deceased)
Christina Tytler MS Langmuir (deceased)
Cause of death: Palsy - 10 weeks
Informant: James Arrol, 65 Canal Street Paisley

Spouse John died before 17 Feb 1853 the date in the Paisley Paupers Index entry for daughter Janet b. abt 1827.

So far I don't have Ann in 1861. She is not with son James and his family nor with son William and his family.

An entry in the Paupers Index in 1853 for Ann's daughter Janet: " Lives with Mother who keeps children in her absence."

They are together somewhere with some of Janet's children in 1861. John died 1858 so the only one left is Mary C.

So this should be them in 1861:
Ann b. abt 1793
dau Janet b. abt 1827
grand dau Mary C b. 1855

The other child I had was James b. abt 1821 who married Jean (Jane) BUTCHARD /BUTCHART (we have not looked at that family yet).

James is not with his mother and siblings in 1851. I have him in 1861 but so far he can't be found in 1851.

John and Ann married in 1815 so I was expecting more than two children. Now William b. abt 1818 and Elizabeth can be added. No sign of so many of these in IGI. I'll go with 1818 for William for now. There is still a gap for more children.

1881
Civil parish Paisley Abbey
William Arrol head age 59 occ harness weaver born Paisley
Ann McGee Arrol wife age 46 born Paisley

A nice clue there.

1891
Civil parish Paisley abbey
Address 5, Alice Place, Neilson Street
Mary Arrol head age 57 born Ireland
James Arrol age 28 occ warehouse porter born Paisley
David Arrol age 22 occ house house painter born Paisley
Robert Arrol age 18 occ carter born Paisley
Thomas Arrol age 14 occ bleachfield worker born Paisley
Daniel Craig boarder age 25 occ shawl weaver born Paisley

Still Neilsen St - the children without their parents. I wonder who Mary is?

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

With one of the variations of the name that we know:

William ARRAL & Ann McGHEE
19 Nov 1858 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Batch: M115731

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Not sure if right family

1861 Scotland census
Registration District: Paisley Low Church
Civil Parish: Paisley Low Church
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 7 Stow Street

Janet ARROL head b. abt. 1824 age 37 Millworker Paisley, Renfrewshire
Janet ARROL mother b. abt. 1789 age 72 Paisley, Renfrewshire
Mary ARROL daur b. abt. 1855 age 6 Paisley, Renfrewshire
Christina McKAY boarder b. abt. 1843 age 18 Millworker Paisley, Renfrewshire
Christina ARROL daur b. abt. 1861 1 Mo Paisley, Renfrewshire

cheers
crankypants