David & Catherine CRAWLEY

[DaveHam9]

Marriage V1852553 38C/1852 CRAWLEY DAVID - BYRNE CATHERINE CW= CofE Abercrombie District, Bathurst

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Marriages solemnized in the Parish of Bathurst in the County of Bathurst in the Year 1852
No. 79
David Crawley of this Parish Bachelor
Catherine Byrne of this Parish Spinster, a minor
married in this Church by Banns with consent of J. I. Moussel ? P.M. Commissioner
twelfth day of April 1852 By me Thomas Sharpe M.A.
Parties signed: David Crawley, Catherine Byrne
Witnesses: Thomas (his x mark) White of Bathurst, Matilda White of Bathurst, W Kearney ? of Bathurst


Birth 5874/1865 CRAWLEY MATILDA - DAVID CATHERINE - BATHURST * 9 Nov 1865

Looking for deaths for David and Catherine and other details on them.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

Tree suggests this for David...

Birth/Bap:
David Crawley
Registration Year: 1832
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Parents = David Crawley & Caroline
Volume Number: V18322205 128

And this for his death..

David Crawley
Parents = David & Caroline
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Place: Leichhardt, NSW
Registration Number: 12825

Geoff

 

[horse]

And this death for Catherine..

Catherine Crawley
Father's name: Byrne
Registration Year: 1925
Registration Place: Petersham, NSW
Registration Number: 1479

Geoff

 

[horse]

Tree suggests Catherine b. Ireland and this assisted passage..

Catherine Byrne
Birth Year: abt 1834
Age: 22
Arrival Date: 1 May 1856
Vessel Name: Commodore Perry
Origin Location: Felton, Middlesex, England
[Image has; Occ = needlewoman. Father = Matthew dec. Mother = living at Vale of Something. Native place = Vale of Something, Co. Wicklow]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Something does not add up. Arrived 1856 aged 22 and married as a minor in Bathurst in 1852.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

Something does not add up. Arrived 1856 aged 22 and married as a minor in Bathurst in 1852.

Yep, trees for guidance! :biggrin:

Geoff

 

[horse]

Is it possible to get a bit more from the marriage for Catherine?

Geoff

 

[horse]

Catherine Byrne of this Parish Spinster, a minor
married in this Church by Banns with consent of J. I. Moussel ? P.M. Commissioner

Not seen that sort of consent before

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

There is nothing more on the image of the marriage. That bit is in another topic. Don't know if PM = Police Magistrate or not. Could not find the right spelling for the name. NSW had a number of 'guardian commissioners' who if the minor had no relations would decide if the marriage could take place. Can't find a list of those commissioners.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Don't know why it is in three volumes but can't look any up beyond 123.

CRAWLEY DAVID 2205/1832 V18322205 125 DAVID CAROLINE

CRAWLEY DAVID 2161/1832 V18322161 127 DAVID CAROLINE

CRAWLEY DAVID 2205/1832 V18322205 128 DAVID CAROLINE

There are more then 40 volumes from 124 onwards that have not been filmed.

 

[horse]

Don't know why it is in three volumes but can't look any up beyond 123.

CRAWLEY DAVID 2205/1832 V18322205 125 DAVID CAROLINE

CRAWLEY DAVID 2161/1832 V18322161 127 DAVID CAROLINE

CRAWLEY DAVID 2205/1832 V18322205 128 DAVID CAROLINE

Is there any way of checking?

Geoff

EDIT: Anc. has all 3, but all transcriptions look the same and no images..

 

[DaveHam9]

I could ask NSW BDM but replies to my queries are running 9 months behind. But I have sent hundreds of queries.

There are no films and no books of transcriptions in the library. BDM have the volumes in storage. Normal queries of the index are easy because they can pull up the image. I've only asked for a few volumes to be taken out of storage. I have a long list which I was keeping until they caught up with all the normal queries.

Not on FS so no extracted batch.

There is no list for volumes past 123 so can't even tell if RC or CofE.

Dave

 

[horse]

There are more then 40 volumes from 124 onwards that have not been filmed.

Ah! Thanks, Dave..

Geoff

 

[horse]

Need to go now, Dave.. Speak later.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok, thanks Geoff.


Death 11346/1894 CRAWLEY DAVID - DAVID CATHERINE - PICTON * 7 Dec 1894

Death 12825/1895 CRAWLEY DAVID - DAVID CAROLINE - LEICHHARDT * 26 Oct 1895

CRAWLEY Catherine Death notice 28MAR1925 Death 90 late of Leichhardt, formerly of Bathurst Sydney Morning Herald 30MAR1925


Dave

 

[gibbo]

Any help?

National Advocate (Bathurst, NSW : 1889 - 1954)
Tue 31 Mar 1925

PERSONAL
Another of Bathurst's former residents, Mrs Catherine Crawley, widow of the late David Crawley, died in her 91st year at Leichardt on Saturday, Mr. Crawley was for many years a leading master butcher in Bathurst, afterwards he became the landlord of the ''Ball Court'' hotel, in Stewart street, which, with the large ball court adjoining, was, some years ago, pulled down. Her remains were buried in the Catholic cemetery at Rookwood yesterday. A family of seven sons and four daughters are left. — Messrs David, George, William, James, Charles, Joseph and Leo. Mrs. A. Hunt, Mrs. W. C. Barker, Mrs Cruwys, and Miss Sarah Crawley.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Didn't have that.

So married at about age 18.

Crawley Catherine 90 30/03/1925 SEC*M2*2**682 Burial

CRAWLEY CATHERINE 1479/1925 (-BYRNE) 9O YRS PETERSHAM * 28 Mar

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Catherine probably born Ireland. Arrived before 1852.

BYRNE Catherine 15 Digby 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 307; Reel 2459, [4/4908] * Longford, Ireland


Orphans
BYRNE Catherine 16 Lismoyne 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 503; Reel 2459, [4/4911] * Kilkenny

BYRNE Catherine 15 Lismoyne 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 503; Reel 2459, [4/4911] * Dublin

 

[DaveHam9]

http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/...age=0&nativePlace=&parents=&religion=0&ship=0

One ruled out by marriage.

One probably ruled out by age 18 in 1849 v. 18 in 1852.

Leaving two. No way of knowing.

The 15 yo or the 16 yo would fit.

Seems to be an error with two of them 15 and 18 - ages swapped in notes.

All RC but the marriage in Bathurst was CofE.

Lots of children born Bathurst. No son named Patrick or Bernard.

 

[gibbo]

Catherine probably born Ireland. Arrived before 1852.

BYRNE Catherine 15 Digby 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 307; Reel 2459, [4/4908] * Longford, Ireland


Orphans
BYRNE Catherine 16 Lismoyne 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 503; Reel 2459, [4/4911] * Kilkenny

BYRNE Catherine 15 Lismoyne 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 503; Reel 2459, [4/4911] * Dublin

Since she signed on the marriage she must be able to read and write.

Catherine on the Digby in 1849 = cannot read or write

Catherine on the Lismoyne aged 15 = cannot read or write and also died 1899 at Avondale.

Catherine aged 16 on the Lismoyne = Other : Kilkenny Union. Empl. Henry Harris, Glebe, £6-£8, 3 years. (A maybe??)