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Death record for a Stewart Drummond in Northumberland

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I don't have a subscription to ancestry.com, but I see a death record index there for who shows as a Stewart Drummon. It shows as death in July 1844 at Castle Ward, Northumberland. There is some sort of record that I can't see. I've been searching a Stewart Drummond and wonder if this could be him. I do have him on the 1841 England census in Northumberland.

I'm wondering if someone could access that record to let me know the information shown, such as age at death, where born if available, and other pertinent info.

I'm fairly new here, so if I'm posting in the wrong place, please let me know.

Thanks so much!! Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA)
 
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I found the website for the free BMD, and was able to retrieve the index. It had no age on it or place of birth, etc., so guess a person has to purchase the info?

If there's another way to find this info, please let me know.

Thanks!! Tom McMillan
 

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I do Dave, but the "view image" just takes you to the deaths reg index so no further info I am afraid.

You are getting closer to me, pop over the Border now!

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Thanks Barbara.

Ok.

name: Stewart Drummond
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Male
age: 52
birthplace: Scotland
record type: Household
registration district: Bellingham Union
sub-district: Bellingham
civil parish: Bellingham
county: Northumberland

I presume no probate record with date of death.

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Hi Tom from WA
that's obviously not Western Australia?
I had to Google to find out you're in Washington!
Just joshing, welcome aboard from downunder

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1841 census for Stewart bn N.Irleand?
has 2 members in Anc putting corrections for his surname.
From Damman to Drummond.
Lots of kiddies born to him in 1841.
Worth getting in touch with them?

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Hi
I presume this record for 1841 is what daveham posted. Bellingham is on the north west of Newcastle, a little further out than Castle Ward where the death was recorded, ref 25-153. I'm having difficulty finding the family in 1851.
I presume Jane 57 is sister to Stewart as they were both born Scotland. Most of the children were not born in Northumberland

MILLER, Isaac M 57 1784 Northumberland
MILLER, Jane F 57 1784 Scotland
GOUGE, Sarah F 14 1827
DRUMMOND, Stewart M 52 1789 Scotland
DRUMMOND, Mary F 42 1799 Northumberland
DRUMMOND, Caroline F 21 1820 ?
DRUMMOND, Mary F 10 1831 ?
DRUMMOND, Eleanor F 9 1832 no
DRUMMOND, David M 6 1835 no
DRUMMOND, John M 3 1838 Northumberland

Piece:837 Book/Folio: 26/4 Page:10

Registration District: Bellingham Union
Civil Parish: Bellingham
Address: Lane Head, Bellingham, Charlton, Northumberland

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I can't find the marriage or prove Stewart & Jane are siblings or find a birth for either so far in searching. I hope Scotland is correct and it's not Ireland.
 
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From Tom's other post his families come from both Scotland and Ireland, but no mention of Drummond., If he can tell us how he got to Stewart Drummond and how he fits in, it may help identify him.

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Thank you all so much!! I did get the original of the 1841 census from the library, and the birth designation for Stewart is an "S" and not an "I" as some transcribed it, so I feel he was born in Scotland.

My possible connection is a little complicated. My family descends from Robert Todd & Isabella Anderson, and their Son Matthew born in Warkworth in 1802 is my GG Grandfather. His wife I believe descends from Alexander Drummond and Helen Dyer, Dyet or Dewar from Scotland, and she was Helen Drummond born 1800 in Lanarkshire, Scotland. Matthew & Helen apparently had their chldren in Scotland. I have a lot of birth records for children of Robert & Isabella and for Alexander and Helen.

The Todd's were shown as a potter, mugger, pedlar, stoneware merchant, a horse pedlar/trader and such. The Drummond's were hawkers, china merchant, Chapman pedlar, basker maker, and tinsmiths. So, it seems they were amongst Travellers and/or Gypsy Travellers. I have found quite a few baptisms of children, but not a lot of marriage records. I understand some in these groups may have performed their own unrecorded marriages.

The "Drummond" name was a surprise for our family and others I've connected with. We had family lore that Helen was a "MacGregor"!! After a lot of study, I now understand the "Proscription" enacted making the name MacGregor illegal in Scotland by penalty of death, from various times between the early 1600's and 1774. This might be the reason I found the family with the name of "Drummond", as I understand many MacGregor's did take that name?

Some of the children descending from the Matthew Todd/Helen Drummond marriage, were given the middle name of "MacGregor". Therefore, I've been studying and studying and searching and searching for the connection, which is quite elusive.

Recently, a person in England contacted me about this Stewart, who she found as Stewart MacGregor Drummond. His wife was a Mary Ann Todd. I can't yet be sure, but this Mary Ann could be my Matthew Todd's sister. It also seems possible that Stewart could be related somehow to my Helen Drummond.

The person who contacted me, explained there were marriages between 3 of Stewart and Mary Ann's children, with 3 children of an Alexander Todd. I think these marriages were in England. It so happens, that Alexander Todd is the older Brother of my Matthew Todd!!

So, it seems I'm finding a number of marriages, perhaps between members of the same travelling groups of Todds, Andersons, and Drummonds. I think I read somewhere that some of the travelling families arranged marriages for their children.

So, I'm researching Stewart in an attempt to try to find more information about the elusive "MacGregor" connection.

Thanks so much!! Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA, USA)
 

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