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1871
Registration Number: 465
Registration district: Alloa
Civil Parish: Alloa
Town: Alloa
County: Clackmannanshire
ED: 4
Address: 8 Mills Court
Household schedule number: 207 Line: 5
DEWAR Archibald head 1837 age 34 Alloa, Clackmannanshire tailer
DEWAR Beibe wife 1836 age 35 Alloa, Clackmannanshire ? [Torryburn]
DEWAR Celle daughter 1864 age 7 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
DEWAR Adam son 1867 age 4 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
Spouse is Cecilia B.

I'd like a look up please for the family in 1881.

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Hello Dave,

No luck as yet with Archibald and family!

The only possible I can find is young Cecilia, living in Northumberland and working as a servant.

So, for your consideration only, here are the details.

RG11/5135/56/12

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Hello Dave,

In 1881, at 25 Greenfield Place, Alloa, Adam Dewar aged 12, born Kinross, is a lodger with the Drysdale family.

The age is a bit out and I'm not sure of the proximity of Alloa (Adam's stated birth place in 1871) and Kinross!

He's the only one I can find - sorry!

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Thanks for looking, Josie.

Kinross is about 50km NE of Alloa.

I've not looked to see if place of birth for the children as stated in 1871 is correct.

I know spouse Cecilia Black KELTIE was born in Torryburn, Fife, the village of one of my direct lines in Scotland.
 

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I can say this is my family for sure. Her grandmother was Cecilia MASTERTON.

name: Cecilia Masterton Dewar
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 03 Jan 1864
birthplace: ALLOA,CLACKMANNAN,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Archibald Dewar
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Cecilia Keltie
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11465-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:
 

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This is a different Adam:

name: Adam Dewar
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 14 Jul 1868
birthplace: KINROSS,KINROSS,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Dewar
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane Guthrie
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11462-3
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:


Can't find my Adam so not sure where he was born. I've not tried SP yet.
 
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Hello Dave,

No luck as yet with Archibald and family!

The only possible I can find is young Cecilia, living in Northumberland and working as a servant.

So, for your consideration only, here are the details.

RG11/5135/56/12

Josie :)
Thanks Josie.

I don't rule it out because Cecilia's grandfather James KELTIE was born in England about 1814 (birth/baptism and place still a mystery). His family must have moved south for a few years because as far as I know James was the only one born in England. That's another mystery to return to one day. :D
 

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Death 1876 Cecilia DEWAR (KELTIE) Leith, Midlothian Age 38

I can't find a death for Archibald that fits with his age in 1871. If he was older then there are two deaths after 1881 in Midlothian.

Death 1884 Archibald DEWAR Leith, Midlothian Age 58


It's possible it was the second marriage for Archibald and that he was in fact older than Cecilia. In 1849 to Margaret NAPIER and children born 1856 and 1858. So I'll look for a death for Margaret 1858-1862.

Curious. That means 2x Archibald DEWAR who married in Clackmannan.

Death 1878 Margaret DEWAR (NAPIER) Leith, Midlothian Age 48

It probably means the one who died in 1884 was the other one, the spouse of Margaret.
 
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I notice that FreeCEN has no coverage for Clackmannan in 1851.


SP has no Archibald DEWAR born in Clackmannan 1825-1854 and 13 elsewhere.

One born in Fife in 1837.
 
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Hello Josie,

I've started another topic for the Archibald & Margaret DEWAR family so they can be found and ruled out for various years.

Cecilie (nee KETTIE) died in 1876 Leith, Midlothian. I can find no death for an Archibald before 1881 so please check Midlothian in 1881 for an Archibald born anywhere in Scotland about 1837.

Also please see if you can find an Archibald born anywhere in Scotland abt 1837, a tailor, in 1861.

Although the 1871 census says Archibald was born in Clackmannan, I can find no such births there on SP.

Thanks.

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Hi Dave,

Here is one if only for elimination!

1881

Archibald Dewar 44 Marine Stoker, born City Edinburgh about 1837
Margaret Mc N Dewar 28
Christina O Dewar 1
Margaret R Dewar under 1 month

Address: 3 Lapicide Place
RD and Civil Parish: Leith North

If he is the widower of Cecilia, then the second marriage and the births of the children seem to tie in with a death of Cecilia in 1876!


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Hello Josie,

My apologies. I should have put a link to the other topic in which I was eliminating the one with spouse Margaret.

I had a bit of a setback today re TLSO. :rolleyes:

I doubt it with that occupation. Mine was a tailor.

It would be interesting to see what those middle initials are for.

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Hello Josie,

The age certainly fits. I don't believe the born Alloa in 1871 so it's possible he was born in Edinburgh but tailor to marine stoker does not fit.

This fits for name and place but not age for the tailor or the stoker.

Death 1884 Archibald DEWAR Leith, Midlothian Age 58

Ok, next question. Is occupation 'tailer' an error for 1871?

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Hello Josie,

Marriage in 1849 to Margaret NAPIER and children born 1856 and 1858.
But that can't be the Margaret aged 28. So 2nd Margaret and 2nd Archibald. ???

Submitted record:

Margaret DRYSDALE
Marriage: 21 Nov 1878 Newhaven, North Leith, Midlothian

Don't have any credits left to see if this is before the marriage.

Death 1878 Margaret DEWAR (NAPIER) Leith, Midlothian Age 48

So the BIG question. Which of the two Archibalds married in 1878?

Cecilia died 1876 Leith.

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ame: Margaret Ritchie Dewar
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 26 Mar 1881
birthplace: North Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Archibald Dewar
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Margaret Drysdale Dewar
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C01902-5
system origin: Scotland-EASy
source film number: 232688
reference number: v 692-1 p 71


So, one of the two Archibalds died Leith 1884 aged 58 but that age does not fit census we have although place does.

So if the spouse of Cecilia married in 1878 then 'tailer' must be an error in 1871. Born 1837 would fit with being the same age as Cecilia. So we don't have his death yet. The one who died in 1884 is older and the one who married Margaret NAPIER in 1849.
 
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A death that fits born abt 1837.

Death 1914 Archibald DEWAR Leith, Midlothian Age 78



I can't find a baptism for Christina to find the middle name. The middle name Ritchie means nothing to me.
 
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You've done well, Dave! :biggrin:

Sorry I haven't got access to SP and Christina's baptism doesn't show up on FS! :eek:

In 1871, there is an Archibald Dewar, born 1829 on "Vessels" in Edinburgh. His occupation was "2nd Mate".

The 1871 entry you found with Archibald and Beibe does say “tailer” in the transcript, but again I am unable to view the image, so cannot confirm whether or not it is correct!

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Hello Josie,



But that can't be the Margaret aged 28. So 2nd Margaret and 2nd Archibald. ???

Submitted record:

Margaret DRYSDALE
Marriage: 21 Nov 1878 Newhaven, North Leith, Midlothian

Don't have any credits left to see if this is before the marriage.

Death 1878 Margaret DEWAR (NAPIER) Leith, Midlothian Age 48

So the BIG question. Which of the two Archibalds married in 1878?

Cecilia died 1876 Leith.

Regards,

Dave
There has to be some connection, Dave!

Here is a quote from post 4 of this thread...

In 1881, at 25 Greenfield Place, Alloa, Adam Dewar aged 12, born Kinross, is a lodger with the Drysdale family.
 

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