DEWAR family

[DaveHam9]

Hello Josie,

Thanks for reminding me about post #4.

In post #1 I know Cecilia was not born Alloa. We also know Archibald was not. I do believe both children were born in Alloa making the Adam born Kinross I think not the same Adam.

It looks as though the ships mate and the stoker are the same Archibald so although the 1878 date would fit for a 2nd marriage for spouse of Cecilia it seems now it's not him.

Please see if you can find the Archibald born 1837 in later years.

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't know how it connects with Drysdale but this could explain an Adam born Kinross:

name: Adam Dewar
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 14 Jul 1868
birthplace: KINROSS,KINROSS,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: James Dewar
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane Guthrie
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11462-3
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:


Curious re post #1 I can find a Cecelia born Alloa in 1864 in SP but not an Adam born in Clackmannan. There is an Archibald born in Alloa in 1869 and a William born 1865 Alloa.

 

[josie7644]

Hello Josie,

Please see if you can find the Archibald born 1837 in later years.

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

Hello Dave,

In 1891, the Dewars are at 8 Lapicide Place, Leith.

Archibald 52, Stoker (Ship), born about 1839 in Edinburgh
Margaret 37, born Banockburn (sic), Stirlingshire
Christina O 12
Margaret R 10
Archibald 8
James D 6
Annie 4
David A 3

All children were born in Leith.

Just out of interest, the only other A D born 1837 who appears in 1891, lived at 2 Copeland Road, Govan. His occupation was Joiner.

In 1901, the Dewars had moved to 13 Lapicide Place!
Archibald was 65 and an Engineman (staty) (sic)
There are two more people in the household, Margaret 4 and Agnes 8.

Josie

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Josie,

Thanks.

Now I'm totally confused.

In 1871, there is an Archibald Dewar, born 1829 on "Vessels" in Edinburgh. His occupation was "2nd Mate".

Is this '2nd mate' the stoker? Or do we have 4x Archibald.

I thought the stoker had ages that indicated he was born more like 1826 and that my Archibald was the one born about 1837.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Josie,

Ok lets sneak up on them from another direction.

Please see if you can find an Archibald born 1826 (to fit with the 1884 death aged 58 ) who married Margaret NAPIER in 1849 in 1851 census. FreeCEN has no Clackmannan that year.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I'd better start making a new list for stuff to get on SP when I next get some credits.

I have copies of the death certificates of several females who had been married several times and the spouses were mentioned. I wonder what that 1914 death certificate might say re spouse.

 

[josie7644]

Hello Josie,

Thanks.

I thought the stoker had ages that indicated he was born more like 1826 and that my Archibald was the one born about 1837.

Regards,

Dave

Do you mean this stoker, Dave?

1881

Archibald Dewar 44 Marine Stoker, born City Edinburgh about 1837
Margaret Mc N Dewar 28

Josie

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Josie,

I've read the whole topic several times to see if I've missed something.

We have my Archibald in 1871. We don't have the one with Margaret Napier in 1871. If he is not a stoker or related then it looks as though my Archibald married in 1878 2 years after Cecilia died and that 'tailer' in 1871 is probably a mistranscription.

Regards,

Dave

 

[josie7644]

Hi Dave,

While I was looking for A D born 1826, I came across this interesting one, in 1851!

Address: Kirkgate, Alloa, Clackmannanshire

Marion Dewar 41
Archibald Dewar 15, born Edinburgh about 1836, occupation weaver
Margaret Dewar 12
James Livingston 27
Ann Ramtay 34
Peter Livingston 3
Janet Livingston 9

Josie

 

[DaveHam9]

Do you mean this stoker, Dave?

1881

Archibald Dewar 44 Marine Stoker, born City Edinburgh about 1837
Margaret Mc N Dewar 28

Josie

In 1871, there is an Archibald Dewar, born 1829 on "Vessels" in Edinburgh. His occupation was "2nd Mate".

Sorry, I was taking this one to be the stoker. Is he a different one altogether?

So is he the one who died in 1884 aged 58? Then is he the spouse of Margaret Napier?

Ok, I think this will solve it. Can Margaret b. abt 1830, living with or without spouse Archibald, be found in 1871?

Death 1878 Margaret DEWAR (NAPIER) Leith, Midlothian Age 48

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Cecilia's father was a weaver and although they were not born in Clackmannan they were living in Alloa in 1851. James died there in 1857. Cecilia married there in 1862. Even possible Archibald started off as a weaver. Probably a trade he would get out of if given a chance.

I'm hoping Margaret can be found in 1871 with spouse and we get a clear indication of his trade.

 

[josie7644]

In 1871, there is an Archibald Dewar, born 1829 on "Vessels" in Edinburgh. His occupation was "2nd Mate".

Sorry, I was taking this one to be the stoker. Is he a different one altogether?

So is he the one who died in 1884 aged 58? Then is he the spouse of Margaret Napier?

Ok, I think this will solve it. Can Margaret b. abt 1830, living with or without spouse Archibald, be found in 1871?

Death 1878 Margaret DEWAR (NAPIER) Leith, Midlothian Age 48

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave,

In 1871, Margaret Dewar, occupation housewife, age 38, born 1833 at an unknown place, was in the Royal Edinburgh Asylum for the Insane.

She seems to be the only one who fits remotely with the criteria we already have!

:2fun: Josie

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Josie,

Thanks.

Is the asylum in Leith? I'll check that.

Now I have to decide what event to add to my SP 'to get' list.

Don't think it will be the 1862 marriage. Too many Scottish marriages just tell me the names were proclaimed 3 times. :2fun:

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

ahem Dave,:biggrin:

The SP marriage is after 1855 and will give you both parents plus bride and groom's address and age and occupation so well worth getting.

Barbara

 

[josie7644]

Hello Josie,

Thanks.

Is the asylum in Leith? I'll check that.


Regards,

Dave

The RD is St George, CP Edinburgh St Cuthberts and the address is Morningside.

There are no Margaret Dewars in Leith!

Josie

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

It does very a lot. I got one 1818 marriage that helped because it mentioned the groom was in the 40th reg of foot. We then found his discharge and then found he had been born in Devon and stationed in Scotland.

So I might get this one:

Archibald DEWAR & Cecilia KELTIE
12 Dec 1862 Alloa, Clackmannan

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Yes you just never know what you will get pre 1855, a gem, or just a line. Still have to do it tho - just in case. The very very early ones sometimes don't even mention the wife! And the wives had absolutely nothing to do with the early births

 

[DaveHam9]

I especially like the extra detail in the 1855 birth certificates. I have lots of those.

 

[DaveHam9]

Next stop another brick wall in one of my direct lines for yet another crack at it. Ireland then Scotland then England then Australia over 4 generations of BLACKLEY family. :2fun: