DONALD family

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

groom's name: George Donald
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Jane Galbraith
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 11 Jun 1830
marriage place: Dalmellington,Ayr,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11586-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1041337
reference number:

Seems they end up in NSW. Arrived 13 Jul 1837 on 'John Barry' Bounty vessel.

George 28 mason from New Mills, Ayr
Jane 25 from Dalrymple, Ayr
Thomas 3 and George 1 year.

Are these daughters baptised in NSW ???

V1837353 47/1837 DONALD AGNES - GEORGE - JANE
V18444914 47/1844 DONALD JANE - GEORGE - JANE

Death in Qld:
8 Feb 1890/C0601 Patterson Janet - George Donald - Jane Galbraith

Is that the Jane baptised in 1844? I have no age at death.

There are no other deaths in 1890 for Jean/Jane/Janet. Possibly there is an error in the index and it should be 28 Feb. So far I can't find a notice in TROVE.

Bald Hills Cemetery
Portion GD Section 7 Grave 60
Patterson Janet 01 / 03 / 1890 Unknown
Craig William Wallace 12 / 06 / 1951 81 years

20 Feb 1890/C0609 Patterson John - William Patterson - Maria - ** born Ireland aged 58 years

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) - Friday 21 February 1890 p.1
FUNERAL NOTICE.-The Friends of Mr. JOHN PATTERSON, deceased, are respectfully invited to attend his Funeral, to move from his late residence, Wilson-street, Lower Esplanade, Sandgate, THIS (Friday) AFTERNOON, at 1 o'clock, to the Bald Hills Cemetery.
K. M. SMITH, Undertaker, George street and Wickham-street, Valley.

Bald Hills Cemetery
Portion GD Section 7 Grave 59
Patterson John 1890 Unknown
Craig Maria Jane 31 / 10 / 1959 87 years

I don't know why the burial record has just the year.

Maria Jane is a married daughter.

Marriage 1896/C01560 Craig William Wallace - Patterson Maria Jane

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages
2971/1858 PATTERSON JOHN - DONALD JANET - YASS
3314/1862 PATTERSON JAMES - GALLOP CATHERINE - YASS
3800/1869 PATTERSON ANTHONY - HEYDON ANNE - YASS
5274/1879 PATTERSON JAMES - HOWELL MARY - YASS

Qld. Birth reg:
1872/B13529 Maria Jane Patterson - John - Janet Donald
1873/B16641 Margaret Gray Patterson - John - Janet Donald
1876/C0395 Alice Patterson - John - Janet Donald
1878/C0512 Minnie Agnes Patterson - John - Janet Donald
1878/C0513 Unnamed (F) Patterson - John - Janet Donald
1882/C0669 Susan Emily Patterson - John - Janet Donald


So I'm supposed to believe Janet married at age 14 in 1858 and then had her first child in 1872 ???

 

[DaveHam9]

name: Thomas Donald
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 25 Jan 1835
baptism/christening place: BARONY,LANARK,SCOTLAND
birth date: 06 Jan 1835
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: George Donald
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane Galbraith
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11966-6
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1041478
reference number:

 

[DaveHam9]

Looking at the marriages in Yass and then these deaths:

Deaths
8007/1899 PATTERSON ANTHONY - THOMAS - MARY - YASS
12397/1903 PATTERSON JOHN - THOMAS - MARY - YASS

That's probably Mary Jane DODD.

This has to be a different John if he was born in 1844 in Scotland.

Anthony born 1842 in Scotland.

The James who married Catherine is not a brother.

I find it a bit hard to believe there are three different PATTERSON families in Yass. One from Armagh in Ireland, Robert & Janet (BOYD) from Roxburghshire in Scotland and Thomas & Mary Jane (DODD) arriving at a different time from Sanquhar, Dumfries.

 

[DaveHam9]

This is getting very weird:

Info on George DONALD Junior - HERE


I will look up the 1844 baptism on film next week. Bet it is a church in Sydney not Yass.

So we are back to Jane b. 1844, marries in 1858 and children born from 1872 ???

By coincidence marries the odd one out in Yass - the only PATTERSON not born in Scotland.

 

[gibbo]

John Patterson (Born1832 – Ireland – Died 20/2/1890 – Sandgate – Married Janet Donald 29August 1858 – Yass New South Wales) was the first known general storekeeper in the village and was already established before 1869 when Andrew Hamilton arrived, possibly as early as 1866 .

http://www.chermsidedistrict.org.au/chermsidedistrict/01_cms/details.asp?ID=197

 

[gibbo]

Son
William George Patterson 1870-1915
1870/B11681 William George Patterson John Janet Donald

Daughter
Maria Jane Patterson 1872-1959

Daughter
Margaret Gray Patterson 1873-1960
1873/B16641 Margaret Gray Patterson John Janet Donald

Daughter
Minnie Agnes Patterson 1873-1873..someone stuffed up on their tree
1878/C512 Minnie Agnes Patterson John Janet Donald
1878/C513Unnamed (F)Patterson John Janet Donald

Daughter
Alice Patterson 1876-1903
1876/C395 Alice Patterson John Janet Donald

Daughter
Susan Emily Patterson 1883-1962
1882/C669 Susan Emily Patterson John Janet Donald


http://www.chermsidedistrict.org.au/chermsidedistrict/01_cms/details.asp?ID=212

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Well, I still think it is weird. :2fun:

Three different PATTERSON families in Yass and a marriage at age 14 and then children born 12 years later.


All the Hamilton connections too with Chermside.

A daughter of William George married a Hamilton and my grandmother died in Chermside aged 99.

 

[gibbo]

It does seem weird. I wondered at first if births werent registered around the 1859 era as that is when QLD come into been but according to trees etc and the links there dont seem to be any kids before 1870. Maybe she had some miscarriages with been so young

 

[DaveHam9]

Hard to know because all the different trees have no inf re that. Or even info about when and why they ended up in Qld.

It means I have one more in my tree from Ireland.

I suppose there is only one question left and that is does anyone have John's arrival?


I notice not all the trees have Janet DONALDs birth in Yass. I'll try and check it tomorrow. I think it will be a baptism in Sydney in 1844.

 

[DaveHam9]

Next time I'm in the State Library I'll check if the marriage in Yass was a CofE one. If it is then I know what film to search. If it's not CofE then I guess it's Presbyterian and it will be very hard to find the right reel.

The CofE index is on fiche so it's easy to find the parish for marriages and baptisms. Once you know it's CofE and what parish it's easy to find what reel to search.

 

[DaveHam9]

Presbyterian Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St Andrews Scots Church, Sydney in the Year 1844

26 June - 5 Feby. 1844 - Jane - George Donald & Jane Galbraith - Sydney - Stonemason - Rev. J. McGarvie D.D.

The marriage is going to be hard to find.

 

[gibbo]

How come the 2 dates for the baptism? One the dob and one the baptism?

So she was only 14 when she married.

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, born 5 Feb 1844 and baptised 26 June 1844.

I will still search for the marriage on film but it will take some finding.

I'm finding about 10% of the reg I look up have errors in the number or the volume or the date or the name.

I was looking for a Wesleyan one in Goulburn Co Argyle and the batch the volume and number was for Ipswich Co Stanley.

 

[DaveHam9]

The 1858 marriage at Yass was not CofE so probably Presbyterian and will be hard to find on film.

 

[DaveHam9]

DONALD George - death 75 years - Thomas - ARMSTRONG Mary - West Melb 1888/10601

 

[gibbo]

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Monday 10 September 1888

DONALD. —On 6th inst., at his residence, 280 King-street,West Melbourne, George Donald, in his 75th year.


The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Thursday 13 September 1888

IN the SUPREME COURT of the COLONY of VICTORIA : In its Probate Jurisdiction.-- In the Will of ELIZABETH DONALD, Deceased, Wife of the Late George Donald of King street West, Melbourne, Market Inspector.-Notice Is hereby given, that after the expiration of fourteen days from the publication hereof application will be made to the Supreme Court that PROBATE of the said WILL may be granted to Elizabeth M'Farlane Donald, daughter of the said deceased, and the sole surviving executrix named in and appointed by the said will.

Dated this thirteenth day of September, 1888.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Have I got the right death ? I'd better re-read this topic. That didn't help.

George married Jane in 1830. Notice says Elizabeth.

According to the shipping record George was born in 1809 not 1813.

What made me search Victoria and a date around 1888 ???


Possible death for Jane:

15092/1894 DONALD JEAN G UNKNOWN UNKNOWN - YASS

 

[gibbo]

Theres a will online for George. Dont know if it will tell you anything tho to confirm his the right one.

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 6373/1880 DONALD GEORGE AGE 76 YEARS DIED DENILIQUIN DENILIQUIN