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Edith Isobel HOUSDEN born where ?

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Hello crankypants,

Edith Isobel HOUSDEN b. bef 1894 d. 1984

ER 1914 Bendigo

married 1917 Junee

Horace Lindsay FURNER b. 1894 d. 1957 Wagga Wagga

They are both buried in the Coolamon Cemetery.

Looks like Edith may have been born in Victoria.

Please see what you can find there and NSW.

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Hi Dave

There is a Edith HOUSDEN born in 1890 Victoria, father's name Enoch.

1914 VIC Electoral Roll - Bendigo - Castlemaine
HOUSDEN Edith Isobel, Doveton-st, Castlemaine, home duties
HOUSDEN Enoch, Doveton st, Castlemaine, labourer
HOUSDEN Frederick Benjamin, Doveton st, Castlemaine, traveller
HOUSDEN Leslie Benjamin, Doveton st, Castelmaine, letter-carrier
HOUSDEN Petrea Agnes, Doveton st, Castlemaine, home duties
HOUSDEN Sarah, Doveton st, Castlemaine, home duties

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Riverina – Coolamon
FURNER Edith Isobel, Carlyle Park, via Coolamon, home duties
FURNER Horace Lindsay, Quondong, Coolamon, farmer

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Riverina – Coolamon
FURNER Edith Isobel, Cowabbie street, Coolamon, home duties
FURNER Horace Lindsay, Cowabbie street, Coolamon, motor proprietor

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

It fits with her age at death:

FURNER EDITH ISOBEL F METHODIST 15/05/1984 93 COOLAMON - TRADITIONAL SECTION 0 :3354

I'll find some more FURNER queries to do in this topic.

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Hello crankypants,

Two FURNER siblings:

Violet E b. 1890 Junee d. ?

Ella V b. 1888 Wagga Wagga d.?

I have found Violet:

FURNER VIOLET EDITH F METHODIST 16/02/1981 18/02/1981 90:00 COOLAMON - TRADITIONAL SECTION METHODIST J 2008 0 : 835

so that just leaves Ella. Her parents are Francis William d. 1925 Coolamon and Sarah (nee PALMER) b. ? d. 1939 Wagga Wagga.

Please see if you can find them in ER.

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Hi Dave

1930 and 1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Hume – Wagga Wagga
FURNER Sarah, 132 Gurwood street, Wagga Wagga, home duties
FURNER Violet Edith, 132 Gurwood street, Wagga Wagga, home duties


This is a long shot but did find a Ella V TURNER married MENZIES Andrew McL, in 1916 Junee, this Ella is in Coolamon in 1930 & 1936. Couldn't find a death.

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Riverina - Coolamon
MENZIES Ella Victoria, Reid street, Ariah Park, home duties
MENZIES Andrew, Reid street, Ariah Park, farmer

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Riverina - Coolamon
MENZIES Ella Victoria, Kooringa, Ariah Park, home duties
MENZIES Andrew, McLaren, Kooringa, Ariah Park, farmer

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. It is a possibliity. I've checked for births of Ella TURNER and there are several with different middle initials and marriages to match those.

No sign of Ella or Andrew on the Coolamon burial list.

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Hello crankypants,

No luck so far finding a death for either of them or a birth or service record for Andrew.

Found this:


Service Record
Name MENZIES, ANDREW MCLAREN
Service Australian Army
Service Number N439604
Date of Birth 27 Sep 1921
Place of Birth WAGGA WAGGA, NSW
Date of Enlistment 13 Nov 1941
Locality on Enlistment ARIAH PARK, NSW
Place of Enlistment ARIAH PARK, NSW
Next of Kin MENZIES, ANDREW
Date of Discharge 25 Sep 1945
Rank Private
Posting at Discharge 18 BATTALION VOLUNTEER DEFENCE CORPS PART TIME DUTY
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

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Hi Dave

Could this another sibling married to a MENZIES

Found this marriage under TURNER and death under FURNER

marriage
2534/1912 TURNER GEORGE J F W MENZIES ROSE Z NARRANDERA

death
13394/1960 FURNER GEORGE JOHN F W FRANCIS WILLIAM SARAH WAGGA WAGGA

1930 & 1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Riverina - Coolamon
FURNER George Francis William John, Coolamon, farmer
FURNER Rose Zillah, Coolamon, home duties

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Hello crankypants,

Yes, YES :D You are correct!

FURNER GEORGE J.F.W. M METHODIST 05/04/1960 73:00 COOLAMON - TRADITIONAL SECTION METHODIST P 12 1272 0 : 895

:2fun:

YES You just solved the puzzle without knowing there was one!

I knew of the marriage to Rose Zillah MENZIES but I was looking for a birth in Scotland for Andrew McLaren. Silly me! He was born in Victoria along with his sibling Rose Zillah.

Robert Menzies married Rose Zillah Trevaskis 1885 ref 4827. Place is given as Kilmore - this is probably the birthplace of one of the couple. Both are buried in Rannock:

MENZIES ROBERT M 26/05/1935 75: RANNOCK - TRADITIONAL SECTION 579 0 : 2851

MENZIES ROSE ZILAH M 25/02/1924 60:00 RANNOCK - TRADITIONAL SECTION METHODIST 1 5 341 0 : 2879

Rose Zillah MENZIES was born on 9 Sep 1889 in Wangaratta, Vic.

Siblings include:

Menzies Andrew Mclaren father Robert mother Trevaskis Rose Zullah born Kyabram 1888 ref 4174

Menzies Olive Ruby Hilda father Robert William mother Trevaskis Rose Zi Kyab 1886 ref 27313

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Hi Dave


:D :D :D
I was just playing around with the FURNER TURNER theory, yes one puzzled solved a thousand more to go.:eek: :eek: :eek:

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** just noticed father's death, I wonder if Ella's middle name came from her grandmother,
3690/1925 FURNER FRANCIS W GEORGE J VICTORIA COOLAMON
 
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Hello crankypants,

Yes, grandmother Victoria CAVILLON. That family has a very interesting background. I have lots of details but some loose ends to revisit one day in the future. But on with the FURNERs.

Douglas Oswald b. 1899 d. ?

married 1930 Sydney

Floris Minnie LEADLEY b. 1899 d. 1951 Annandale.
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Warren Alfred b. 1890 d. 1949 Mosman

married where? when? possibly Goulburn

Elsa May unknown b. ? d. ?

Service record has his middle name as Alford:

Enlisted 17 Jul 1915 Warren Alford - S/N 1348 7 LHR later 5th FAB - Embarked Sydney HMAT A32 'Themistocles' - Served in France - Returned to Australia - Discharged 17 Jun 1919


A son Geoffrey Arthur:

Enlisted - S/N N172967 : Date of birth - 5 Mar 1921 : Place of birth - Goulburn, NSW : Place of enlistment - Willoughby, NSW : Next of Kin - Furner Warren

and the death of a daughter:

7331/1955 FURNER ELIZABETH ANN WARREN ALFRED ELSA MAY SYDNEY

Please see what you can find.

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Hello crankypants,

I went again to NAA to look at Warren's service record. There is no mention of a marriage in England. He was discharged in 1919 and a son was born in NSW in 1921 so I'd say the marriage was in Australia but I can't see it as a FURNER or TURNER in NSW BD&M.

I did notice an A......y tree.

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Hi Dave

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa - Pomeroy
FURNER Douglas Oswald, Gurrundah, grazier
FURNER Floris Minnie, Gurrundah, home duties

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Eden Monaro - Pomeroy
FURNER Douglas Oswald, Gurrundah, grazier
FURNER Floris Minnie, Gurrundah, home duties

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa - Goulburn
FURNER Elsa May, 23 Hurst street, Goulburn, home duties
FURNER Warren Alford, 23 Hurst street, Goulburn, auctioneer

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Eden Monaro - Goulburn
FURNER Elsa May, 23 Hurst street, Goulburn, home duties
FURNER Warren Alford, 23 Hurst street, Goulburn, auctioneer

There is another Douglas Oswald for 1930, also included people in 1936 as they are at same address.

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa – Goulburn
FURNER Edith Phyllis, 213 faithful street, Goulburn, clerk
FURNER Douglas Oswald, 213 Faithful street, salesman

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Eden Monaro – Goulburn
FURNER Ada Mary, 213 faithful street, Goulburn, home duties
FURNER Arthur George, 213 Faithful street, agent

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Hi Dave

Details of the tree you mentioned.

Warren A FURNER b. 1890 Goulburn, New South Wales (no mention of wife, children or death).
Parents are Matthew George FURNER & Ada Mary JONES.
Do you want the names of Warren's siblings.

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I can explain those. Warren's service record has his father A G = Arthur George as living at 'Cora Lynn' Faithful St. AG's spouse is Ada Mary. Edith Phyllis is Douglas and Warren's sister. Douglas married in 1930 so we have him at home before marriage and away from home afterwards.

So far I can't find when Douglas died.

Warren arrived back in Australia 3rd Military District = Melbourne and was discharged in 2nd MD = Sydney. So, possibly he married in Victoria in 1919 ??

It's possible Elsa May remarried (Warren died in 1949):

28249/1952 PRESSER ARTHUR MAYNARD TURNER ELSA MAY WOLLONGONG

There is no NSW birth for an Elsa M TURNER.

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Hello crankypants,

Sibling Edith Phyllis b. 1893 d. ?

married 8 Nov 1933 Sydney

Rev. Vivian Ward THOMPSON b. 1885 d. 1943 Mosman

Not this one:
SLARKE Edith Phyllis Death notice 25DEC1987 Death late of Denistone SMH 02JAN1988
Marriage
11364/1936 SLARKE EDWARD ARNOLD THOMPSON EDITH PHYLLIS BURWOOD
Birth
2321/1908 THOMPSON EDITH P ROBERT ROSE BURWOOD

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Another sibling Doris A b. 1886 d. 1959 Mosman

married 1914 Goulburn

Frederick Cyril S IRELAND b. 1881 d. 1971 Mosman

Please see if you can find them in ER.

One in Ballaarat and a Doris A in Qld. ??

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1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – East Sydney - Darlinghurst
THOMPSON Edith Phyllis, 2 Roslyn road, home duties
THOMPSON Vivian Ward, 2 Roslyn road, naval chaplain


1919 QLD Electoral Roll – Capricornia – Rockhampton
IRELAND Doris Amy, 179 Caroline st, home duties
IRELAND Frederic Cyril Stanley, 179 Caroline st, bank manager

1931 VIC Electoral Roll – Ballaarat - Ballaarat
IRELAND Doris Amy, 235 Mill st, Ballaarat, home duties
IRELAND Frederick Cyril Stanley, 235 Mill st, Ballaarat, bank mgr

1936 VIC Electoral Roll – Ballaarat - Ballaarat
IRELAND Doris Amy, 235 Mill st, Ballaarat, home duties
IRELAND Frederick Cyril Stanley, 235 Mill st, Ballaarat, bank mgr

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Hello crankypants,

Sorry, it's Frederic not Frederick:

Surname: IRELAND
Given Names: Frederic Cyril Stanley
Date: 1881-01-04
***: M
Father: Frederick IRELAND
Mother: Emily LOWEN
Birth Place/Residence: Semaphore
District Code: PtA
Symbol:
Book: 253
Page: 465
Cross Reference:

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Every little bit helps. I can now confirm A= Amy.

Still no luck with a death for Edith.

Another sibling:

Eileen Elizabeth b. 1884 Goulburn d. 1938 Waverley ??

4101/1938 THORNE EILEEN ELIZABETH ARTHUR GEORGE ADA MARY WAVERLEY

The problem is the marriage:

8545/1910 THORNE RICHARD L FURLONG EILEEN G GOULBURN
7250/1931 THORNE WILLIAM A GOWEN EILEEN M BRAIDWOOD
628/1935 THORNE AUBREY M LAUNDRY EILEEN E ANNANDALE

My guess would be the Goulburn one despite the G for her middle initial.

Please see what you can find.

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