Edward John Baptiste Vanhove - missing death

[merrylovett]

Am having trouble finding the death details of an ancestors, son-in-law.
He was deceased from between 1871 census and 1881 census in England.
His name was Edward John Baptiste Vanhove, born about 1842 in Louvain/Lourain, Brehant, Belgium.
He married Alice Jane Honnor on the 12 Sep 1868 at St Philips Church, Bethnal Green. His father Joseph was a printer.
Cigar maker at time of marriage and 1871 census (if checking census, put in Alice's name not Edwards, his is abbreviated). Address was 12 Cotton Street, and their surname is spelt as Venhove on the typed index.
Alice is living with her father in Norfolk (William Honnor born 1813 London), she is listed as a widow. Her name is not complete on this ceensus.
I thought I found his death on the rootsweb site, but when I ordered the certificate, it was of a child whose father was also an Edward but mother's name did not match Alice's.
Did not find any other references to my Edwards surname that matched his details for the time period needed, some-one thought he may have died overseas, not found as yet.
Any help in theis quest will be most welcomed, been trying for some years now to find his death.

 

[barbarajoh]

Hi, it is a difficult one. I am having trouble finding him too. But I do wonder about this baby who died with father Edward. What was the mother's name? Perhaps this other Edward is a relation and might be worth following up. I am not finding another Edward marrying anywhere. What was his occupation.

Maybe sounds like I am off on a slant but that sometimes helps! Honest!

Barbara

 

[merrylovett]

Hello Barbara,
Will let you know about the baby Edward when I find the certificates, they are in storage inn the back shed [my sons house].
He was a cigar maker by trade, plenty of them around.
have wondered if he went back to Belgium and died there, hard to know as they are not telling us anything from the 'next life'.
There was no children that I can find as yet, at least there were none with Alice in 1881 census.
Have not even been able to find what happened to Alice either.
Catch you another time and thanks for replying.
from Glenda

 

[oznannie]

All the best with your search
Marriage cert is as stated, Alice's father a gunmaker.Witnesses Henry Hallam and Emily Knight.
Oznannie
Added later: there's a member in Anc who has made an alteration to surname on marriage record from
Vanhor to Vanhove.
1871 census Alice Jane as VENHORE
25 bn Enfield Mx
Ed John Baptist VENHORE 30 bn Louvain Belgium

 

[oznannie]

Alice is with her folks in 1881 as a widow.
33 visitor bn Enfield. Looks like Vanhove transcribed as mentioned as Vanho.
There are 2 grandees George & Ruth 12 and 11 Honnor bn Enfield
must belong to Alice's brother?
Cheers
Ozn

 

[merrylovett]

Hello,
I have their marriage certificate and I also was the one who had modified the surname from Venhove to Vanhove.
She was recorded as a visitor in the census with her father in 1881, and the children belong to one of her brothers.

 

[barbarajoh]

Hi Merry,

I searched the address on the Edward jnr's death cert 14 Seward Street, Holborn andneither in 1871 nor 1881 are there any Vanhoves or even Maria by one of her other names. Something fishy going on here. I can't find this Maria and other Edward in the census and wonder if he is the same Edward especially as he has the same occupation on the child's death as on your one's marriage.

I will try and find a marriage for a Maria Nicholls to an Edward. I wonder if there are other children to this couple too.

Barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

I have just found a marriagein 1890 on antree for a Marie Fricker nee Nicholls marrying a Stephen Lloyd, sign writer at St Mary Magdalene, Southwark. Marie is a widow and her father was Peter Nicholls. I believe this to be the Maria/Marie who had a child Edward Vanhove in 1874 with Edward the cigar maker but was not married to him.

The plot thickens but I am no nearer to finding what happened to Edward senior. But I do think he either abandoned Alice or had a woman on the side?

Barbara

 

[merrylovett]

Yes, the plot does thicken I think, very strange.
Have just spent nearly an hour this morning (Aussie time) searching for the elusive Maria and spouses, did not find her under either name listed on the birth certificate.
Even had another try for Edward senior and another search for Alice, marrying again or dying, nothing.
Had even tried here in Australia, only have her 2 sisters who migrated here to Queensland.
There must be something we are missing, don't know what.
from Glenda (merrylovett)

 

[barbarajoh]

I found her with Stephen in 1891 and as a widow in 1881, doesn't seem to have been any children that I could see. I haven't look for her as a child wiht father Peter as didn't seem much point but might be worth finding her parents in case she offloaded any grandchild with them.

I don't know if it is the name that is making him hard to find or whether he did go away to Europe or further. If he died here there seems to be no trace at all so think he prob left our shores.

I know frustrating, we will keep trying for a wee while longer.

Barbara

 

[merrylovett]

Hello all,
Sorry for not getting back since last here.
I have been trying to put all my files onto my computer, had 5 boxes of paperwork to sort out, now down to 2 and a half boxes, in between helping other relatives sort their families out as well.
Back to Alice......who was the Stephen you mentioned she was with in 1891?
What surname did he have?
I have yet to find anymore on her hubby Edward, even had viewed the film for where he was born which did not help at all as could not find his birth, only for a possible sister.
Still not proven Edward's death either to this day or the other names as well.
bye from merrylovett.