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Edward Messham +elizabeth ?

gwenythgreen

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HI Friends

I cant find a marriage for Edward Messham born 1855 Buckley, Flintshire and Elizabeth ? born Buckley 1857, Amongst other children they had John Messham 1882, my husbands grandfather.

Any help ould be great ,thanks

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Hi Gwen

Is it possible John MESSHAM b. 1872 Buckley, Flintshire, Wales, his father Edward, could be John. I know there is a Edward c 1856 Hawarden in 1871.


1891 Registration dist. Chester / Sub dist. Hawarden

John Messham head 1855 Hawarden, Flintshire
Elizabeth wife 1855 Buckley, Flintshire
William MESSHAM son 1876 Buckley, Flintshire
James MESSHAM son 1880 Buckley, Flintshire
John MESSHAM son 1882 Buckley, Flintshire
Joseph MESSHAM son 1884 Buckley, Flintshire
Edward MESSHAM son 1889 Buckley, Flintshire
Elizabeth A MESSHAM daur 1890 Buckley, Flintshire

1881 family at Civil Parish: Hawarden - Ewloe Town
Street address: Burnt Wood

John MESSHAM head 1856 Hawarden, Flintshire
ELIZABETH MESSHAM wife 1857 Buckley, Flintshire
William MESSHAM son 1876 Buckley, Flintshire
James MESHAM son 1880 Buckley, Flintshire

There is a marriage 1875 Wrexham dist.
HOLLINS Elizabeth
MESHAM John

1871 Registration dist. Chester / Sub dist. Hawarden

Lizzy HOLLINS 1856 (servants) Hawarden, Flintshire, Wales
Servant with Cosaven family

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Hi Gwen

Is it possible John MESSHAM b. 1872 Buckley, Flintshire, Wales, his father Edward, could be John. I know there is a Edward c 1856 Hawarden in 1871.


1891 Registration dist. Chester / Sub dist. Hawarden

John Messham head 1855 Hawarden, Flintshire
Elizabeth wife 1855 Buckley, Flintshire
William MESSHAM son 1876 Buckley, Flintshire
James MESSHAM son 1880 Buckley, Flintshire
John MESSHAM son 1882 Buckley, Flintshire
Joseph MESSHAM son 1884 Buckley, Flintshire
Edward MESSHAM son 1889 Buckley, Flintshire
Elizabeth A MESSHAM daur 1890 Buckley, Flintshire

1881 family at Civil Parish: Hawarden - Ewloe Town
Street address: Burnt Wood

John MESSHAM head 1856 Hawarden, Flintshire
ELIZABETH MESSHAM wife 1857 Buckley, Flintshire
William MESSHAM son 1876 Buckley, Flintshire
James MESHAM son 1880 Buckley, Flintshire

There is a marriage 1875 Wrexham dist.
HOLLINS Elizabeth
MESHAM John

1871 Registration dist. Chester / Sub dist. Hawarden

Lizzy HOLLINS 1856 (servants) Hawarden, Flintshire, Wales
Servant with Cosaven family

cheers
crankypants
Hi Crankypants

Thank you so very much for your help and putting me on the right track, not sure where Edward came from, it could have been one of Ancestry hints, have gone back further now with your kind help,

Gwen :kissu: :)
 

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Hi Gwen

:eek: :eek: :eek:

It would appear then there is two John MESSHAM’s born c1882. The problem is I can’t find your John MESSHAM born c1882 with his parents Edward & Elizabeth in 1891 & 1901.
Have you found the family in 1891/1901.?

I went back through the census to see who John Messham (father) 1856 & John Messham (son) 1882 were connected to. This is his line.

Edward MESSHAM & Elizabeth (unknown) had a son John MESSHAM b. 1856 Hawarden, Flintshire, he married Elizabeth HOLLINS 1875 Wrexham, Denbighshire.
John & Elizabeth had a son John MESSHAM c1882, Bickley.

This is your line.

William MESSHAM & Hannah POWELL had a son Edward MESSHAM c1856 Hawarden, Flintshire who married Elizabeth (unknown).
Edward & Elizabeth had a son John MESSHAM c1882, Bickley.

Will take another look for them in 1891/1901.

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Hi Gwen

:eek: :eek: :eek:

It would appear then there is two John MESSHAM’s born c1882. The problem is I can’t find your John MESSHAM born c1882 with his parents Edward & Elizabeth in 1891 & 1901.
Have you found the family in 1891/1901.?

I went back through the census to see who John Messham (father) 1856 & John Messham (son) 1882 were connected to. This is his line.

Edward MESSHAM & Elizabeth (unknown) had a son John MESSHAM b. 1856 Hawarden, Flintshire, he married Elizabeth HOLLINS 1875 Wrexham, Denbighshire.
John & Elizabeth had a son John MESSHAM c1882, Bickley.

This is your line.

William MESSHAM & Hannah POWELL had a son Edward MESSHAM c1856 Hawarden, Flintshire who married Elizabeth (unknown).
Edward & Elizabeth had a son John MESSHAM c1882, Bickley.

Will take another look for them in 1891/1901.

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crankypants
Hi Crankypants.

Thankyou so much for your kind help and patience, I have gone back to the drawing board as it were and got out Grahams (my other Half) grand parents marriage Cirtificate and realized I had misread the age redf) redf) for John William Messham, the marriage date was 12th April 1913, and his age was 28 years,the address given for John was Rosslyn, Hawarden road, Caergwerlie, Flintshire, Wales and looking at the fathers name it looks like Eawara Messham but I think it is Edward badley written Profession General Labourer, Johns Profession Colliery Hostler, If I can work out the correct Certificate to send for I will send for the birth Cirtificate for John to get His mum and dads names, By the way the wedding took place at the Zion Chapel, Pen-Y-Fford, Hope, in the District of Hawarden, in the County of Flint.

I have searched for Johns Birth reg. all afternoon, I think the Year should be 1885? but can find no likly candidates.

All Help is appreciated.

Gwen :)
 

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Hi Gwen


I found this birth, what do you think.


Birth June Qtr 1885
MESHAM John William Holywell 11b 256


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crankypants
Hi Crankypants.

THANKYOU, You are Brilliant, I will send for that, I will know for sure then if that is the right one.

How you find these, I do not know, but I am so gratefull to you.:kissu:


Gwen :)
 

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Hi Crankypants.

THANKYOU, You are Brilliant, I will send for that, I will know for sure then if that is the right one.

How you find these, I do not know, but I am so gratefull to you.:kissu:


Gwen :)
Hi all

Have now had birth cirt. this morning. Dads name was Edward Mesham (thy have missed an S out of sirname, mum was Kate Mesham formaly Jones, address at time of registration was Buckley Common. Near Mold,

I cant find them on census for 1891, any help appreciated, Sorry but no idea of mum and dads ages but I think they were localy born to this area of Flintshire.

Gwen :)
 

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Transcribed on Ancestry as Meushaw
RG12; Piece: 2870; Folio 99; Page 7

John Wm Meushaw 6 b Buckley, Flint
Thos Edwa Meushaw 7 b Buckley, Flint Scholar
Edward Meushaw, 36, b Buckley Coal Miner
Kate Meushaw, 31 b Buckley Dressmaker

Cefynbedd, Park Cott, Abbermoddu, Flintshire
 
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Transcribed on Ancestry as Meushaw
RG12; Piece: 2870; Folio 99; Page 7

John Wm Meushaw 6 b Buckley, Flint
Thos Edwa Meushaw 7 b Buckley, Flint Scholar
Edward Meushaw, 36, b Buckley Coal Miner
Kate Meushaw, 31 b Buckley Dressmaker

Cefynbedd, Park Cott, Abbermoddu, Flintshire
Hi Lincoln Lad.

Thank you so much, It seems to be a bit of a problem with the sirname being mistranscribed as diferent names,

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Gwen :)
 
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Hello G,

Very new to all this. Also searching Messhams in Buckley, and there abouts.

I have got as far back as my great great grandfather in the 1881 census. He was William, born 1856 in Birkenhead. Then nothing.
1st wife Elizabeth (b.1855) dead by 1891, 2nd wife Mary (1864).
Elizabeth's second child Thomas John (b.1876) was my great grandfather. Not sure if this helps us link up somewhere. Just hoping some of your dead ends may open up mine with William in Birkenhead, that's all I know.

Actually - is there anything more on line before the 1881 census?

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Hi Rachel

welcome to the forum

Not sure of the birthplace of your William as he is on 1881 as born Birkenhead, but on 1891 and 1901 as Buckley, Flint.

The family seemed to live at Lane End, Pentrobin, Hewarden.
I think he married Elizabeth Lamb o/d 1976 Holywell ref 11b 426. She died 1887 so William married mary Ann Griffiths Dec qtr 1890 Holywell ref 11b 470.

I can't find William pre marriage but there is a family living at Hewarden at the time he was born. I wonder if he had a 2nd name which he was known by before his wedding, eg Edward.

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Hello G,

Very new to all this. Also searching Messhams in Buckley, and there abouts.

I have got as far back as my great great grandfather in the 1881 census. He was William, born 1856 in Birkenhead. Then nothing.
1st wife Elizabeth (b.1855) dead by 1891, 2nd wife Mary (1864).
Elizabeth's second child Thomas John (b.1876) was my great grandfather. Not sure if this helps us link up somewhere. Just hoping some of your dead ends may open up mine with William in Birkenhead, that's all I know.

Actually - is there anything more on line before the 1881 census?

Rachel
Hi Rachel,

I have my tree on ancestry so if you pm me your e-mail I can give you access, there were a few messham families around the Buckley area. My Mother in Law was a Messham


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