Edwin BRAY & Ann Elizabeth FURNER

[horse]

It is a direct line and impacts the tree to a great extent because of one missing birth/baptism, that of Charles abt 1795, son of Francis senior & Elizabeth FAIRHALL.

Sounds a bit warm where you are :biggrin:

If his father d. 1795/7 and mother d. 1795 [possibly in childbirth], who raised him?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Don't know. Charles arrived 1838.

I have no death for older brother Thomas born abt 1788.

Older brother Francis born 1786 died 1819.

Older sister Mary married Jesse CATT in 1810 (I can't confirm that)

Jesse died 1832 (I can't confirm that)

Mary died 1862 - on the list of requested burial lookups.

Dave

 

[horse]

I have no death for older brother Thomas born abt 1788.

This is the closest match in the index. Age 2y out, Guestling is 2 miles E of Westfield.

25 May 1853
Thomas FURNER
63
Guestling, St Laurence

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Thomas is a problem. Did one die young? Did both die young? Does the 1788 one not fit but then there is a large gap. Is there one missing?

Thomas 1784 Brede or Beckley ?

Francis 1786 Brede

Thomas 1788 Beckley ??

Mary 1792 Brede

Charles 1795 ?? Where ???

 

[DaveHam9]

This is Mary

1861
Civil Parish: Ore
County: Sussex
Registration District: Hastings
Sub-RD: Ore
ED:
Address: Red Lake, Ore
FOORD Aaron Head Mar 41 Sawyer Battle Sussex
FOORD Ellen Wife Mar 38 Laundress Ore Sussex
FOORD Ellen dau 14 Ore Sussex
FOORD Mary Ann dau 12 Ore Sussex
FOORD William S son 10 Scholar Ore Sussex
FOORD Jesse son 7 Scholar Ore Sussex
FOORD Aaron son 5 Scholar Ore Sussex
FOORD Sarah E dau 2 Ore Sussex
FOORD Francis D son 0 (5M) Ore Sussex
CATT Mary Mother in Law Widow F 68 Widow of a Bricklayer Brede Sussex

Census ref thanks.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thomas is a problem. Did one die young? Did both die young? Does the 1788 one not fit but then there is a large gap. Is there one missing?

Thomas 1784 Brede or Beckley ?

Interestingly, there are a couple of trees that say 1784, Brighton, that can be discounted because of this..

Thomas Furner
Christening Date: 26 Sep 1784
Christening Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Father: Thomas Furner
Mother: Elizabeth

And, that couple have more offspring in Brighton..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, I have none in Brighton.

 

[horse]

This is Mary

1861
Civil Parish: Ore
County: Sussex
Registration District: Hastings
Sub-RD: Ore
ED:
Address: Red Lake, Ore
FOORD Aaron Head Mar 41 Sawyer Battle Sussex
FOORD Ellen Wife Mar 38 Laundress Ore Sussex
FOORD Ellen dau 14 Ore Sussex
FOORD Mary Ann dau 12 Ore Sussex
FOORD William S son 10 Scholar Ore Sussex
FOORD Jesse son 7 Scholar Ore Sussex
FOORD Aaron son 5 Scholar Ore Sussex
FOORD Sarah E dau 2 Ore Sussex
FOORD Francis D son 0 (5M) Ore Sussex
CATT Mary Mother in Law Widow F 68 Widow of a Bricklayer Brede Sussex

Census ref thanks.

ED: 6; Piece: 559; Folio: 58; Page: 11

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

This is the closest match in the index. Age 2y out, Guestling is 2 miles E of Westfield.

25 May 1853
Thomas FURNER
63
Guestling, St Laurence

Geoff

That is a different Thomas in my tree. I had no death 1851 - 1861.

Removal order from Brede PAR253/32/2/134 27 Feb 1838
Former reference: PAR253/32/2/134
Contents:
Thomas Furner, wife Mary and children Ellen (15), Josiah (13), Caroline (11), Sarah (9), Thomas (7), James (5) and unbaptised infant (3 weeks); to Guestling


1851
HO107 Piece 1635 Folio 40 Page 15
Civil Parish: Guestling
County: Sussex
Registration District: Hastings
Sub-RD: Ore
ED: 2b
No of Schedule:
Address: Friars Hill, Guestling
FURNER Thomas Head Mar M 61 Pauper Ag Lab Brede Sussex
FURNER Mary Wife Mar F 53 Brede Sussex
FURNER Sarah dau Unm F 23 Brede Sussex
FURNER James son Unm M 18 Agricultural Lab Brede Sussex
FURNER Emily dau F 13 Scholar Brede Sussex
FURNER Ann dau F 8 Scholar Guestling Sussex
FURNER Elizah dau F 5 Guestling Sussex

 

[horse]

I may be getting confused here, but who is Mary Coleman?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

I may be getting confused here, but who is Mary Coleman?

Geoff

Mary FURNER Bap 11 Mar 1715 Brede (can't confirm)

Married William COLEMAN 31 Jan 1732 (can't confirm)

William born 1705 - Richard & Mary ??

William died ??

 

[horse]

Mary FURNER Bap 11 Mar 1715 Brede (can't confirm)

Married William COLEMAN 31 Jan 1732 (can't confirm)

William born 1705 - Richard & Mary ??

William died ??

I'll come back to that, there are issues..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Mar Qtr 1853
Furnel* Thomas Hastings 2b 12 * poor image is Furner *

 

[horse]

Married William COLEMAN 31 Jan 1732 (can't confirm)

William born 1705 - Richard & Mary ??

I've lost that marriage now

A couple of the less confusing trees have it...

"Richard Coleman (1681-1729)
28 FEB 1703 Brede, Sussex, England
Spouse
Mary Ivy
1673–1740"

Mary's surname may have been spelt IVEY..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Any death in the tree for William?

Any children? I have a note saying 3.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

Any death in the tree for William?

Any children? I have a note saying 3.

It gives this as a death for William
"William COLEMAN (1705-1729)
25 Nov 1729 Westfield, Sussex, England"

It says 7 offspring for Richard and Mary in one tree and possibly 2 more

"Richard COLEMAN 1705–1706
William COLEMAN 1705–1729
Richard COLEMAN 1707–1732
Mary Coleman 1709–1774
John Coleman 1712–1734
John COLEMAN 1712–1734
Edward COLEMAN 1714–1739
John Coleman
Mary M. Coleman"

Geoff

 

[horse]

The tree also has this record..

Richard Coleman
Christening Date: 20 Nov 1664
Christening Place: Catsfield, Sussex, England
Father: William Coleman
Mother: Elizabeth

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Born 1705, died 1729 and married in 1732 ?

 

[horse]

The tree also has this record..

Richard Coleman
Christening Date: 20 Nov 1664
Christening Place: Catsfield, Sussex, England
Father: William Coleman
Mother: Elizabeth

This has Richard's mother as Elizabeth Dapp..

HERE

Geoff

 

[horse]

Born 1705, died 1729 and married in 1732 ?

Yep, hence reluctance to use the trees, some are all over the place..

Geoff