Edwin Crocker - Lodge Member But which?

[Time-Tra4ler]

welcomeI’m trying to identify the lodge and colours of the ribbons etc; that my wife’s grandfather was a member of.
He was Edwin Crocker 1864-1956
Location possibilities are;
PLYMOUTH, TAVISTOCK , or PRICETOWN all in Devon.
Although I favour Plymouth then Tavistock.
I’m inclined to favour the date of photo between 1930 - 1956 narrowed again to before 1952 when he moved to Princetown. He was possibly a member some time before this.
He lived at 13 Brownlow Street, Stonehouse from 1920 -1952 & was a shop owner. Prior to this he was an owner fisherman from Beasands in Devon.
I have written to the masons lodge museum sending a photo without reply & done some extensive research but being secret it is very difficult to get answers.
On his sleeve and the pouch are the initials `WP` circled by a Sun I believe the lodge has something to do with a `Ram`.
On the main centre link on his ribbon Chain is a `Ram`s Head`
I tried to cleaned the photo from the original condition hope it helps.
Thanks for looking.
Time Tra4ler

 

[joaning]

Hi Time Tra4ler, The clothing looks like Freemasons, I have found this site.
It might be of help.
Joan

http://www.pgldevonshire.org.uk/genealogy.htm

http://www.victorylodge4189.co.uk/

 

[Time-Tra4ler]

welcomeJoaning i will check this out latter to day
sounds promising.
TT

 

[leefer]

Good find that Joan.

 

[Time-Tra4ler]

Hi Time Tra4ler, The clothing looks like Freemasons, I have found this site.
It might be of help.
Joan

http://www.pgldevonshire.org.uk/genealogy.htm

http://www.victorylodge4189.co.uk/

Thank you joaning, the victorylodge 4189 site did not help. The pgldevonshire.org.uk/genealogy was a previously researched site and was helpfull, it is an avenue to approach in the future when all else fails. The site mentions a lodge which I have previously requested info from but received no reply.
Further research has opened the possiblity that the initails WP on the gold chain & sleeves refer to his position held at time of photo as that of ;
`WORTHY PATRON`
TT

 

[juliejtp]

Hi TT,

Could he have belonged to The Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes. The Ram could be a Buffaloes head.
WP Worthy Primo.

 

[davelambert271]

Click the picture to enlarge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Antediluvian_Order_of_Buffaloes_Whittington.jpg

dave

 

[Time-Tra4ler]

Hi TT,

Could he have belonged to The Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes. The Ram could be a Buffaloes head.
WP Worthy Primo.

Hello juliejtp
That is a very good thought,,,, a buffaloe. we have an `R.A.O.B` which I have visited to check their boards and found no record. I have spoken to staff at the club with no joy. But with the new possible info for `PW` which as you suggest could well be `Worthy Primo` I now have something else to offer.

Hi Dave
The photo mate ,,, I like the chain the closest Ive seen yet. Thanks again.
Things are looking good.
TT

 

[Time-Tra4ler]

Hi Just googled ROAB images and found a great photo which I think matches the regalia chain in the wifes grand dads photo. So a trip to the ROAB club is a must with new info.
Thanks Dave & Juliejtp
I think we did it.
TT

 

[Time-Tra4ler]

Good enough I think.

 

[leefer]

http://www.raobgle.org.uk/

Good to see that you now know....the Buffs are notoriously the most secretive of the lodges...not so much these days but in the past.

 

[stickleyf]

I am a descendent of Edwin. Apparently all the daughters were sent to Canada around the time of WWI. All but one have passed. Edwin would be my maternal great grandfather. I f you would like to share our family history, you can contact me at .:2fun:

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[horse]

Hi Fred

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Geoff

 

[Time-Tra4ler]

I am a descendent of Edwin. Apparently all the daughters were sent to Canada around the time of WWI. All but one have passed. Edwin would be my maternal great grandfather. I f you would like to share our family history, you can contact me at .:2fun:

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Hi & welcome Stickleyf amazed at your reply … contact. I have accepted you as friend.
 The period you mention 14-18 war is very vague for us it’s a period of great change in Edwin’s personal life and one we are happy to fill gaps on. We have quit a lot of info but if you could clarify any info or dates you may have so we can confirm the right Edwin Crocker this could save a lot of time.

Our Edwin Crocker b. 1864 -1956 born in Beasands, Devon, Occupation Fisherman/Owner
I have five daughters listed from 1st marriage to Jessie Harriot TRUST b.1867-1945
Maud, Jessie, Florence, Gladys & Alice. My concern is the youngest ALICE was born 1900 makes your sole survivor 115 in my tree ....... Big ? mark
Look forward to your reply
George
welcome

 

[stickleyf]

My mother, Charlcie [almost 94, now] is the daughter of Florence [who lived to be 94], the middle of the 5 daughters. All 5 came to Canada [via Halifax]. I believe there were 3 brothers: John, Edwin [jr?], and Ned. I've placed all the information on my ancestry Canada website via Family Tree Maker.

Since little was known about the UK side, most of what I have gleaned has been through Ancestry's hints. That is where I confirmed the 1864 birth date of Edwin.

My mother provides little snippets about: Jessie's visit in or around 1930; staying with Maud and Alice [in Toronto] when returning from living in Texas [when Florence became a single parent].

So, I'd love to hear about the Crocker's of Brixham with any leads to records that may have been kept.

Great hearing from you...
Fred

 

[stickleyf]

and, to clarify...
when "I said all but one have passed", I should have said all the daughters have passed and only one descendant of whom we are aware is around [that person being my mother, Charlcie].

Fred

 

[Time-Tra4ler]

Your clarification seems to straighten out that little point & we have a connection for sure. I’m not sure how much of a family tree you have as not having a `worldwide` Ancestry account I can not do a search.
I have a fair bit of info to share which you will find interesting for sure & help you forward.
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Regards
George