Elizabeth Ann Hatchard

[jood]

I am looking for Elizabeth Ann Hatchard at either Portsea or Langton, Dorset in 1851 when she would have been 7, and in 1861 aged 17 please.

Judy

 

[davelambert271]

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Coomb, Langton Matravers, Wareham, Dorset, England

Rachel Hatchard Head Widow Female 63 1788 Gardners Widow North Kingston, Dorset, England
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Elizabeth Hatchard Grand Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholor Langton, Dorset, England
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First name(s)
Elizabeth

Last name
Hatchard

Relationship
Grand Daughter

Gender
Female

Age
6

Birth year
1845

Occupation
Scholor

Birth place
England

Birth town
Langton

Birth county
Dorset

House name
Coomb

Parish
Langton Matravers

City
Shaftesbury

County
Dorset

Registration district
Wareham

Archive reference
HO107

Piece number
1856

Folio
92

Page
3

Record set
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

 

[jood]

Im pretty sure they are the parents I sort of had listed for her - so thanks Dave (once again)

 

[jood]

Dave, would it be possible to look up John Cook from Manchester in 1851,61, 71 for John Cook. I am guessing he'd have been born around 1843. I know I have asked for a John Cook in Petersfield, Hants, but all the information after he arrived in Australia points to him being born in Manchester.

 

[davelambert271]

I note from a previous post, his parents were Daniel and Sally, an unusual name combination

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
about John Cook

Name:
John Cook

Gender:
Male

Baptism Date:
28 Nov 1843

Baptism Place:
Petersfield, Hampshire, England

Father:
Daniell Cook

Mother:
Sally

FHL Film Number:
6344469

Reference ID:
9

We would need as much known info to find him in Manchester as there are so many possibilities. Are his parents still as above

 

[jood]

Yes, we know our John Cook and siblings and parents come from Petersfield or Sheet in Hants, but all references to the John Cook in Australia, refer to him as from Manchester. We are just trying to eliminate whether it is another John Cook we've picked up in error.

 

[jood]

Repeating an earlier request, thus "would it be possible to look up John Cook from Manchester in 1851,61, 71 for John Cook. I am guessing he'd have been born around 1843. I know I have asked for a John Cook in Petersfield, Hants, but all the information after he arrived in Australia points to him being born in Manchester".

I am trying to find out if ther was a John Cook of Manchester.

 

[horse]

Hi Jood

Have you got another piece of info that could be used as a reference for the Manchester search?

Geoff

 

[jood]

These are my notes
Births Dec 1843
Cook John Petersfield 7 114
Page 9-69 28 Nov 1843 John Cook, son of Daniel Sally of Sheet, Labourer

John Cook
England Births and Christenings
Name: John Cook
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 28 Nov 1843
Christening Place: Petersfield, Hampshire, England
Father's Name: Daniell Cook
Mother's Name: Sally
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02928-8 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 6344469 , Reference ID: 9

1871 Census
High St., Swanage, Dorset
John Cook Head Mar 28 Bricklayer Hants Petersfield
Elizabeth A Do Wife Mar 26 Dorset Langton
Elizabeth A Do Daur 6 Scholar Do Do
John J Cook Son 4 Do Sussex Brighton (or Surrey)
William Cook Son 2 Dorset Swanage
Frank Do Son 2 mo Dorset Swanage

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: COOK, Frank
Registration District: Wareham
County: Dorset
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 5A
Page No: 317

Name: John Cook
Event:Census Event Date:1871
Gender:Male Age:28
Relationship to Head of Household:
Self Birthplaceetersfield, Hants
Record Type:Household Registration District:Wareham
Sub-district:Swanage
Event Parish:Swanage County Dorsetshire

John Cook M 28 Petersfield, Hants
Wife Elizabeth A Cook F 26 Langton, Dorsetshire
Daughter Elizabeth A Cook F 6 Langton, Dorsetshire
Son John J Cook M 4 Brighton, Surrey
Son William Cook M 2 Swanage, Dorsetshire
Son Frank Cook M 0 Swanage, Dorsetshire

Sailed from Portsmouth to Australia 1881 to setle in South Aust.
Arrival South Australia in 1881 "Star of India" Left 22nd Feb 1880 from Plymouth, arrived 31 Dec 1880
Cook 1881 John 36 yrs, married
Cook 1881 Elizabeth A...81/1 (X2) 36 yrs married
Cook 1881 Frank ..........81/1 9yrs
Cook 1881 William ........81/1 2 yrs
Cook 1881 John ............81/1

Supposedly from Manchester, but nothing to support this.
South Australian Advertiser Wed 16 Feb 1887

IN MEMORIAM
COOK - In loving remembrance of my dear husband, John Cook, of Balaklava, and the dearly beloved father of Mrs William Williams, of Belalie East, who departed this life on the 18th of February 1886, aged 43 years.
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I just want to say here, that the John Cook born in Petersfield Hants, is definitely ours - his brother is my great grandfather. We have reason to believe he married an Elizabeth Ann - and the only surname we came across was Hatchard. John's son Frank died in West Australia,

The only marriage found was Marriages Q4 1863
Cook John
Ellis George
Foy William
Green Harriet
Wilkins Lydia
Portsea
2b 861

Marriages Q4 1863
Hatchard Elizabeth Ann
Pannell John
Seymour Anne
Portsea
2b 860

But any reference to Frank & John say he came from Manchester, not Hans.

In Trove, the papers show the funeral of Frank Cook, and my grandmother and great aunt attended (as cousins). So we are positive it is our Frank and John Cook - but why do they say John is from Manchester

And from the Advertiser, Adelaide, 19 Jun 1933:
OBITUARY Mr William Williams, of Military Road, Largs Bay, who died at Semaphore on Friday at the age of 83, was born at One Tree Hill...He was married 52 years ago to Miss E A Cook, only daughter of the late Mr and Mrs John Cook, formerly of Manchester, England.
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The Advertiser, Adelaide 29 Nov 1906
SILVER WEDDING
WILLIAMS - COOK. On the 29th November, 1881, at Clare... William, third son of the late Thomas Williams, Blyth, to Elizabeth Ann, only daughter of the late John Cook, Balaklava. Present address - Belalie East, Jamestown.
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The Advertiser, Adelaide, 10 Nov 1899
DEATHS
COOK - On the 6th November, at Jamestown, Mrs E A Cook, widow of the late John Cook, Balaklava, and beloved mother of Mrs Wm Williams, Belalie East, Wm Cook, Hawker, and Frank Cook, North Fremantle, WA, aged 55 years.

 

[horse]

Not checked it yet, but.. Wow!

I'll have a nosy

Geoff

 

[jood]

We (my daughter & I) are pretty convinced its our John & Frank (among other children), but when the family say in their death notices in Trove, that their John Cook was late of Manchester, it has sown a few seeds of doubt.

 

[horse]

Supposedly from Manchester, but nothing to support this.

Hi Jood

I think the above probably says it all...

The reason I asked if you had something from Manchester to support your theory was because nothing has yet been seen to corroborate it and as far as I can see there is still nothing.

I know where you are coming from if there is doubt, it may be worth waiting a while to see if anyone else can see anything.

Geoff

 

[jood]

I quite agree. They always say you have to have proof of everything before you can claim the people are yours, yet everything points in our favour except the theory of him coming from Manchester. And death certificates are only as good as the information their relatives put on the certificates, be it right or wrong.

As luck would have it, I have just found a very old email from someone in Qld supposedly related to John Cook, and they mentioned they would get the death certificate - I have just written to her to see what I can find out. Meanwhile I guess we put the matter to rest. Thanks again for your help, Geoff.

 

[horse]

Always pleased to talk through any point that cannot be confirmed. Genealogy is so subjective without the proof. I wouldn't necessarily 'put it to bed' without reason, sometimes persistence is the only way forward until it pays off, keep chipping away at it

Geoff

 

[jood]

I wouldn't necessarily 'put it to bed' without reason, sometimes persistence is the only way forward until it pays off, keep chipping away at it

I will. Hope to hear from the girl in Qld.

I won't tell you we also have a family of Cooks in Overbury, but they are pretty well documented. My grandmother was the descendent of the Hampshire lot, and my great grandmother's family on Pop's side was from Overbury, tho she herself was born in Barton St Mary, Glos. How lucky I was she had a name like Ellen Utinaya Heaven. She did cause a bit of strife later on as a new widow, marrying a much younger man, then emerging with another husband under whose name she was buried under, and no trace of the marriage, or his birth, or the death of the 2nd husband! We've laid that one to rest!

 

[horse]

Hahaha.. there's always a character or two in most families, and why not... However, I guess there will be exceptions :biggrin:

Geoff