Elizabeth Cliffton

[robert shaw]

Did you say you hadn't found her in 61 -not that it helps!

Shacklecross, Ockbrook
Edwin Hill Head Married Male 36 1825 Over Looker In A Cotton Facotry Local Methodist### Ockbrook, Derbyshire, England
Elizth Hill Wife Married Female 35 1826 - Derbyshire, England
Fanny W Hill Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1846 Cotton Factory Worker Ockbrook, Derbyshire, England Rowland Hill Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar Ockbrook, Derbyshire, England Transcription
Edwin Hill Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Ockbrook, Derbyshire, England
Maria Hill Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar Ockbrook, Derbyshire, England
Andrew Hill Son - Male 4 1857 - Ockbrook, Derbyshire, England
George Hill Son - Male 2 1859 - Ockbrook, Derbyshire,

no, 41... i have her after her marriage to my g g grandfather

 

[robert shaw]

Where does the Vickers come from, Robert, do you know?

nope..... not yet, it seems odd to invent it as a double christian name, i think its possible, like fanny, to be a clifford family name. its not a hill name, i know that!

 

[robert shaw]

1841 - names very similar

Samuel Foulds Male 45 1796 -
Ann Foulds Female 35 1806 Derbyshire, England
Elizabeth Foulds Female 14 1827 Derbyshire, England
Fanny Foulds Female 13 1828 Derbyshire, England
Maria Foulds Female 10 1831 -
Edward Foulds Male 8 1833 Derbyshire, England
Eli Foulds Male 5 1836 Derbyshire, England
Catherine Foulds Female 3 1838 Derbyshire,
At Brook Walk, All Saints Derby
Samuel not born in county and is a Frame WK

I believe this is Elizabeth but can't prove it to you and no idea why she was using her mother's maiden name when she married.

Barbara

We will see if Robert agrees, Amanda! Glad you do

Barbara

oh i do agree it looks very interesting, not sure though why they used the mothers maiden name and not the fathers.... the birth of george does list her as 'clifford'.

in fact, looks likely

thank you very muchly guys...

 

[robert shaw]

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH

now i can find no birth for samuel foulds in 1796 in woodhouse eves leicestershire!

i wonder whether he changed his name? oh lord... brain fried!

 

[barbarajoh]

Do you have all the birth certificates of Edwin and Elizabeth's children?

Just saying - as once I solved a difficult ancestor due to her husband registering only one of his 6 children (his wife registered the rest) and he gave his wife's name as different to the surname she married under and the surname she said was her father's name. I then found out she was illegitimate but pretended her father had the same name as her.

Not the same for your ancestor but there might be a clue there somewhere?

Barbara

 

[robert shaw]

Where does the Vickers come from, Robert, do you know?

YES! ..... vickers was elizabeths grandmothers maiden name.

elizabeths parents samuel and ann, anns parents were richard and catherine, they married in spondon in 1794, richard clifford and catherine vickers.

that now confirms the line many thanks for that!



now samuel foulds! lol

 

[barbarajoh]

Where are you looking for the baptism, Robert?

Barbara

 

[barbarajoh]

Brilliant! glad it all worked out and you are back a couple of generations.

Barbara

 

[Ladybird1300]

Looks like Elizabeth was baptised after all:

Name: Elizth Folds
Baptism Date: 22 Apr 1827
Baptism Place: Spondon, Spondon, Derbyshire, England
Father: Saml Folds
Mother: Anne Folds
FHL Film Number: 2082243

Strange, I couldn't find any other children baptised except this one:

Name: Fanny Folds
Baptism Date: 21 Dec 1828
Baptism Place: Spondon, Spondon, Derbyshire, England
Father: Robt Folds
Mother: Anne Folds
FHL Film Number: 2082243

I wonder if this should be Samuel ??


Amanda

 

[Ladybird1300]

Just to confirm Samuel and Anne's marriage:

Name: Samuel Foulds
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 27 Mar 1826
Marriage Place: Spondon, Spondon, Derbyshire, England
Spouse: Ann Clifford
FHL Film Number: 2082243


Amanda

 

[barbarajoh]

Could well be Amanda as can't find a marriage for a Robert to an Ann but we are only seeing transcriptions so we can't be sure. Can't find the originals anywhere.

Barbara

 

[robert shaw]

Where are you looking for the baptism, Robert?

Barbara

site or location?...

i use the igi and find my past. all this is local to me so i know where the locations are and how likely they are to be 'right'.

i got back to 1560 on the vickers line

cant find anything out about samuel foulds.... more investigation needed but im running out of time - im preparing this for my mum for crimbo day. of course itll carry on after but ive my paternal line to investigate too.

Looks like Elizabeth was baptised after all:

Name: Elizth Folds
Baptism Date: 22 Apr 1827
Baptism Place: Spondon, Spondon, Derbyshire, England
Father: Saml Folds
Mother: Anne Folds
FHL Film Number: 2082243

Strange, I couldn't find any other children baptised except this one:

Name: Fanny Folds
Baptism Date: 21 Dec 1828
Baptism Place: Spondon, Spondon, Derbyshire, England
Father: Robt Folds
Mother: Anne Folds
FHL Film Number: 2082243

I wonder if this should be Samuel ??


Amanda

hmmmm ..... or is 'robert' his real name?..lol.. im happy with it being a mistake, everything else fits, including the 1841 census where they lived in derby - samuel - ann - elizabeth - fanny - maria - edward - eli - catherine with george and emali by 51.

ive found a string of children by them, but im only interested in the main line of elizabeth atm.

 

[barbarajoh]

So if it is local, can you look at the originals at an archive? Or is that too far away.

You might get all kinds of extra info.

Barbara

 

[robert shaw]

So if it is local, can you look at the originals at an archive? Or is that too far away.

You might get all kinds of extra info.

Barbara

the derby office isnt far, but a pain to park, they dont hold as many records as the matlock office which is a way to go just for a few bits.

ive got the cliffords back to the mid 1600's plus several spouses lines too. ive about run out now without wishing to look too far - im most happy with what ive got so far.

i think this samuel foulds will be a mystery like my james howe, neither seem traceable before their marriages.