Elizabeth MURTOUGH

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

That confirms the connection to Kensington St but does not solve the puzzle.

Susan is a sister to the Margaret who married Thomas Joyce. Margaret is the 4th daughter on the shipping record so if Susan was the eldest Margaret would be the 5th.

I think it rules out James 1855 and rules out Honorah 1878. Neither a good fit for age.

 

[Bootzy]

Assisted Immigrants arrived from Clearalley Co Clare 27 Feb 1858 - vessel “Stebonheath”
Thomas Joyce age 19 painter & ?? - Kilclooney Galway – Thomas & Mary at Ballinasloe – RC

a tree has
Thomas b 1839 Kilcooney Galway & parents as Thomas P Joyce & Mary A Wilson


wife Margaret died 12 Sept 1900 NSW and Thomas died 20 Dec 1915 NSW
Daily Telegraph – Thu 13 Sept 1900 – 66 years
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/237113090?searchTerm=margaret joyce

NSW Coroner’s Inquest for Thomas – 20 Dec 1915 – reg no: 438
BDM – 1915 – parents correct – reg no: 14639

Margaret b 1832 Clare Ireland arrived 27 Aug 1844 on “Templar” with her family – Father James 40 farmer, Anna 38, James 1, Margaret 12. Honora 4 – NSW Assisted Immigrant
parents James Murtough (1804- 1855) & Honora Hurley (1800-1878)

Evening News – Mon 17 June 1878
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107943984?searchTerm=honora murtough

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val but I don't think that is correct.

Clearly says Margaret is the fourth daughter in the marriage notice but if you add Susan who is an older sister then Margaret becomes the fifth.

 

[Bootzy]

there's no Susan on arrival list...?? only Honora age 4
least we know this is right... age was 66 years

 

[Bootzy]

right arrival as per Gibbo's post - so 1 daughter must had died before Margaret's marriage....

Ship Templar 1844
James MURTOUGH 40 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle
Anna MURTOUGH 38 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle
Mary MURTOUGH 20 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle
Johanna MURTOUGH 18 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle
Catherine MURTOUGH 15 Templar 1844 Sydney and/orNewcastle
Margaret MURTOUGH 12 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle
Honora MURTOUGH 4 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle
James MURTOUGH 1 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle

http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/e...4785/Templar_27 Aug 1844/4_478500107.jpg&No=4

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, no Susan on the shipping list therefore I think the Margaret who married Thomas Joyce was not the Margaret on the shipping record.

Clearly says they are sisters.


Only details found so far for 1x James and 1x Honora. I've searched again in Trove and nothing found for the other two.

And this RC Rookwood is very curious. No Murtough deaths in index in 1901. No Murtough birth in index 1899 - 1901.

Murtough Annie 1 19/02/1901 SEC*M1*M**397 Burial
Murtough James - 19/02/1901 SEC*M1*M**397 Burial
Murtough John - 19/02/1901 SEC*M1*M**397 Burial
Murtough Honora - 19/02/1901 SEC*M1*M**397 Burial

Nothing in Trove in Feb 1901.

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 368/1856 V1856368 101 REAY MARTIN - MURTOUGH SUSAN - LD= RC St Mary's Sydney

I hope to visit the library next Tuesday and will try to get an image of that one. It will probably not list parents or ages.


No birth in the NSW index and no Assisted arrival for a Susan Murtough.

A bit of a puzzle.

RC Rookwood
Joyce Margaret 66 13/09/1900 SEC*M1*N**194

No other burials in that section that look to fit.

 

[Bootzy]

Sydney Mail – Sat 17 Nov 1860


JOYCE-MURTOUGH – November 6th at St Mary’s Cathederal by special licence by the Rev Father Ford, Thomas Joyce of Chippendale second son of Mr Thomas Joyce of Ballinasloe Ireland to Margaret, fourth daughter of the late Mr James Murtough of Kensington street Sydney.





Assisted Immigrants arrived from Clearalley Co Clare 27 Feb 1858 - vessel “Stebonheath”


Thomas Joyce age 19 painter & ?? - Kilclooney Galway – Thomas & Mary at Ballinasloe – RC

 

[Bootzy]

SMH Tue 24 March 1903 - Susan
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14546863?searchTerm=rea - susan murtough
BDM – correct parents


for Martin Rea – SMH Mon 6 April 1885
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13583198?searchTerm=martin rea

no BDM death for Martin under Rea, Ray, Reay...

need to check out names of MORTOUGH

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

We need to sort Susan out. And we need to trace Margaret's younger sisters.

Death MURTOUGH NORAH 484/1875 JAMES - ELIZABETH - SYDNEY

If that one is aged less than 2 years then we have removed one of the 2x Honorah. Still leaves us with 2x James.

 

[DaveHam9]

FUNERAL.—This Friends of Mr. THOMAS
JOYCE are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral
his late deceased MOTHER-IN-LAW, Mrs. Honora
Murtough; to move from late residence, 41 Kensington
street, on TUESDAY AFTERNOON, at 3 o'clock; to the
Catholic Cemetery, Devonshire-street.

That cemetery no longer exists.

One puzzle solved. The Devonshire St cemetery was ripped up to build Central Station.

Devonshire Street Cemetery Reinterment Index 1901

Honora MURTOUGH 1878 Rookwood NRS 15513 [p.307]; Reel 3721
Baby MURTOUGH 1877 Rookwood NRS 15513 [p.307]; Reel 3721
Annie MURTOUGH 1887 Rookwood NRS 15513 [p.307]; Reel 3721
Nora MURTOUGH 1875 Rookwood NRS 15513 [p.307]; Reel 3721

 

[horse]

If that one is aged less than 2 years then we have removed one of the 2x Honorah. Still leaves us with 2x James.

Norah Murtough
Death Age: 15/12
Notice Type: Death
Birth Date: abt 1873
Death Date: 3 Feb 1875
Father: J Murtough

Geoff

EDIT: In Ryerson..

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Ok, I ruled one out by age at death but with that death - dau of James junior & Elizabeth - it means I have to ignore age at death for the other.

We still have 2x James who could be James senior.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Have to try and trace these three. Perhaps one is Susan.

Mary MURTOUGH 20 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle
Johanna MURTOUGH 18 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle
Catherine MURTOUGH 15 Templar 1844 Sydney and/or Newcastle

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 110/1851 V1851110 97 CUREN JOSEPH J - MURTOUGH CATHARINE - LD

Marriage 649/1850 V1850649 96 FREANEY MICHAEL - MURTOUGH MARY - LD

Johanna ??

 

[Bootzy]

I’m only going on this tree at moment..


James & Honora had:
Mary C 1824-1905 – married 1850 to Michael Freaney
Johanna 1826 - ?
Susan 1827- 1903 – married Martin Rea (1832-1885)
Catherine Elizabeth 1829 - ?- died 1878 – married John Joseph Curran 1851 NSW
Margaret 1832- 1900 – married 1860 Thomas Joyce
Honora 1840- Aug 1918 – never married – on findagrave buried 29 Aug 1918 Rookwood – correct parents
James 1842 -1924 – married 6 July 1871 to Elizabeth Mary Martin (1855 - 1920)

** Martin RAY age 22 – parents Tim & Sarah both dec arrived 13 Dec on “St Vincent” from Ballymoor Co Westmeath Ireland – NSW Assisted Immigrants
Aust death index has correct parents on his death 1885 – reg no 3977

The only one not found is Johanna b 1826 Clare
wonder if this is her…
SMH – Thur 4 Feb 1875 – correct parents - registered as NORAH
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13351036?searchTerm=johanna murtoug
correct parents on BDM

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

The only one not found is Johanna b 1826 Clare
wonder if this is her…
SMH – Thur 4 Feb 1875 – correct parents - registered as NORAH
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13351036?searchTerm=johanna murtoug
correct parents on BDM

That's the one Geoff found aged 15/12.

Where is the arrival of Susan?

I can find nothing on Johanna. Wonder if her middle name was Susan ??

Still don't know which death is the correct one for James senior.

 

[Bootzy]

Mary Cecilia Freaney died 11 March 1905 – at 138 Wells Street West Redfern widow of the late Michael Freaney and eldest daughter of the late James Murtough of this city
BDM = correct parents

 

[DaveHam9]

James MURTOUGH 21/10/1855 NRS 15513 [p.295]; Reel 3721 File 361
Norah MURTOUGH 17/06/1878 NRS 15513 [p.295]; Reel 3721 File 361

Must be the parents - buried at RC Devonshire St but location of reinterment in 1901 not provided.

 

[DaveHam9]

Either Johanna is Susan or Johanna died before Margaret married to make Margaret the fourth daughter.