Elizabeth WICKENS nee VICKERS

[DaveHam9]

1861
Ref
Civil Parish: ?
County: Kent
Registration District: Greenwich
Address: 7 Minerva Terrace Deptford
John Chitty Clendon Head 51 Surveyor Deal, Kent
Sarah Clendon Wife 49 Deptford, Surrey ?
Elizabeth J Vickers 19 House servant Bristol, Somerset

1871
Ref
Civil Parish: St Nicholas Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Deptford
County: Kent
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub-RD: St Nicholas Deptford
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 92
Elizabeth Wickens Head 28 ?
Annie Wickens dau 18 ?
John Wickens son 5 Deptford Kent
Emma Wickens dau 3 Deptford Kent
Rosina Wickens dau 1 Deptford Kent

I'd like the census ref thanks and a check of the bits in bold.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

1861
Ref: RG 9; Piece: 392; Folio: 89; Page: 12
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Sarah Clendon [b. Deptford, Kent]

1871
Ref:RG10; Piece: 750; Folio: 35; Page: 15
Elizabeth Wickens Head 28 [b. Bristol]
Annie Wickens dau 18 [b. Deptford, Kent] Sister not dau.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Some more:

1841
Ref
Civil Parish: St Nicholas Deptford
County: Kent
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub-RD: St Nicholas Deptford
[Richard is indexed as Vickey but others as Vickers]
Richard 35 Boilermaker
Mary 25
Elizabeth 3
James 1


1891
Ref
Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Deptford
County: London
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub-RD: St Paul Deptford
ED: 44
Elizabeth Wickens 51
Emma Wickens dau 23 Deptford Kent
Albert Wickens son 16 Deptford Kent
Florence Wickens dau 12 Deptford Kent
Maud Wickens dau 9

Dave

 

[horse]

1841
Ref: ED: 3; Piece: 488; Book: 2; Folio: 10; Page: 12
A subscriber has suggested it is Vickers, the image probably looks more like Vickers than Vickery, if you look at the [Y's] in the right side column and the [Y] of Henry above..

 

[horse]

1891
Ref: ED: 44; Piece: 503; Folio: 20; Page: 32

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Marriages Sep Qtr 1864
Wickens John William Rotherhithe 1d 947
Vickers Elizabeth Jane Rotherhithe 1d 947

Page 136
1864 Marriage solemnized at All Saints Church in the Parish of Rotherhithe in the County of Surrey
No. 271 - Aug. 23 1864 - John William Wickins Full Bachelor Boiler Maker Rotherhithe John Flower Wickins Shipwright
Elizabeth Jane Vickers Full Spinster - Rotherhithe Richard Vickers Boiler Maker
Married in the Church of All Saints after Banns by me Alfred Walne Offg. Minister
Both signed (Wickens)
Witnesses: Richard Barnard ? Johsern ? , Mary Ann Vickers

 

[DaveHam9]

1861
Ref: RG 9; Piece: 392; Folio: 89; Page: 12
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Sarah Clendon [b. Deptford, Kent]

1871
Ref:RG10; Piece: 750; Folio: 35; Page: 15
Elizabeth Wickens Head 28 [b. Bristol]
Annie Wickens dau 18 [b. Deptford, Kent] Sister not dau.

Geoff

Wickens is Elizabeth's married name. If Annie is a sister then ... or is she a sister-in-law?

No Annie here:

1861
RG9 Piece 393 Folio 129 Page 8
Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford
County: Kent
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub-RD: St. Paul Deptford
Address: 6 Ramsbourne ?? Place
Emma Wickins Head Widow 45 Deptford Kent
John Willm son 16 Blackwall ?
Caroline dau 7 Scholar Deptford


Caroline Wickens
Spouse: Edwin Farquharson
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Feb 1874
Parish: Deptford St Nicholas
Borough: Greenwich
Spouse Father Name: John Farquharson
Register Type: Parish Register
[Father John Flower Wickens, Occ: Shipwright]

 

[DaveHam9]

b. 23 Aug 1844 - from birth certificate

Births Sep Qtr 1844
Wickens John William Stepney 2 432

John William b. 23 Aug 1845 ? c. 9 Nov 1845 St Nicholas Deptford, London, England
John WICKENS & Emma Elizabeth
Batch: P001622


Married 23 Aug 1864 but full age ?

 

[DaveHam9]

An Alice Vickers aged 3 in 1851.

I can't see how Annie fits either way.

 

[horse]

Wickens is Elizabeth's married name. If Annie is a sister then ... or is she a sister-in-law?

Given Elizabeth's marital status = mar. then Annie could be a S-i-L to Elizabeth.

The image and the transcription say sister, however. Though Annie is more likely to be a S-i-L

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Then Mary A Vickers aged 6 in 1851 ?

 

[horse]

b. 23 Aug 1844 - from birth certificate

Births Sep Qtr 1844
Wickens John William Stepney 2 432

John William b. 23 Aug 1845 ? c. 9 Nov 1845 St Nicholas Deptford, London, England
John WICKENS & Emma Elizabeth
Batch: P001622


Married 23 Aug 1864 but full age ?

Strange, the DoB on the bap. makes it even worse

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

The reg is 1844 and someone has a copy so it's 1844 not 1845 as in the extracted P record.


John William & Elizabeth Jane and family arrived in Australia 1891 - 1900 ??

 

[horse]

Is this Elizabeth's death?

Elizabeth J Wickens
Death Date: 1902
Death Place: New South Wales
Father: Richard
Mother: Mary A
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Place: Nowra, New South Wales
Registration Number: 6309

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes.

Both died at Nowra. The date of death on the burial record for both of them is one day before the date in the BMD index. I still think the index records the date of registration not the date of death in many cases.

I have nothing between 1861 and 1902.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Friday 1 September 1905 p.4
MARRIAGES
WICKENS - SILVA.-August 23, 1905, at St. Barnabas' Church (C of E), by the Rev. W. A. Charlton, Albert, youngest son of John Wickens, of Shoalhaven, to Elizabeth (Cissie), eldest daughter of Joseph and Catherine Silva, of Alexandria.


Actually the eldest of 5 sons.

 

[horse]

Trying to find any info for a guide to arrival date

Geoff

 

[horse]

Also this:

Elisabeth Jane Wickens
Birth Year: abt 1840
Birth Place: Bristol, England
Death Year: Abt 1902
Death Place: Meroo Thoslhaven
Inquest Date: 24 Jun 1902
Inquest Place: Dwellghouse The Wse Wickens Near Meroo
Age: 62

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Shoalhaven

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 25 June 1902 p.8
SOUTH COAST.
Mrs. Wickens, wife of Mr. John Wickens, engineer, of Bomaderry, whilst engaged in domestic duties yesterday afternoon sustained severe burns about the body through her clothes catching fire. She succumbed to the effects of the injuries last evening.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 26 June 1902 p.11
SOUTH COAST.
The funeral of Mrs. Wickens, who died on Monday from the effects of burns accidentally received, was largely attended to-day.

 

[DaveHam9]

A clue. His father was a marine engineer.

... husband came as engineer of the steamer.
Coomonderry when that boat was brought
out some years ago. ...

 

[horse]

A clue. His father was a marine engineer.

So John was probably at sea most of the time, assuming he followed his father, although noted as a copperman

Geoff