Elizabeth WITHERS

[DaveHam9]

Elizabeth WITHERS b. abt 1853 Lanark

- parents William WITHERS furnaceman & Elizabeth FINDLAY ??


Robert ARROL & Elizabeth WITHERS
Married at 34 Bright street Springburn, Lanark 15 Sep 1874

1881
Civil Parish: Glasgow
Registration District: Camlachie
Address: 632 Duke Street
Robert Arrol 26 Carter Airdrie, Lanarkshire
Elizabeth Arrol 28
Jane Arrol 5
Elizabeth Arrol 3
James Arrol 1
William Withers Boarder 26


I'd like a look up please for Eliza/Elizabeth in 1861 and 1871.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

I wonder if this is them (age a bit out), if it is there is also a census in 1851..

1861
Reg No: 644/1
RD: Central District
Civil Parish: Glasgow Inner High
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 31 Waver Stt
ED: 73; Page: 8; Line: 5; Roll: CSSCT1861_97

William Withers 39 [b. Ireland, builder's labourer]
Elizabeth Withers 44 [b. Ireland]
Elizabeth Withers 12
William Withers 9
James Withers 6
All offspring b. Glasgow. Father's occ., different also.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I dunno. Yes, I did find that 1851 census.

This still points to 1853:

Death 1921 Elizabeth ARROL (WITHERS) Springburn, Lanark Age 68


Can William be found in 1871 as a furnaceman? I presume that info came from the 1874 marriage.

Also if FINDLAY is correct I'm thinking Scotland not Ireland.

 

[horse]

Can't see either parent in 1871...

This is same Elizabeth b. 1849..

Reg No: 644/2
RD: High Church
Civil Parish: Glasgow Inner High
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Daviley Cottage Drygate Lane
Occupation: Mill-worker
ED: 3; Page: 1; Line: 8; Roll: CSSCT1871_125

William Johnston 28
Mary Johnston 25
James Mcn Johnston 2
William W Johnston 3mos
Elizabeth Withers 22 [Lodger, b. Glasgow, Mill Worker]
James Withers 16 [b. Glasgow, Iron Moulder]

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

So Elizabeth is pretending to be younger from marriage onwards?

Iron moulder would fit with furnaceman.

In 1881 we have a William not a James aged 26 - does not say bro-in-law.

 

[DaveHam9]

James Withers
birth: 11 March 1855 HIGH CHURCH,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
father: William Withers
mother: Eliza Mcilroy

That's the only one. A copy of that birth should list date of marriage and number of children.

That points to Ireland.

 

[horse]

James Withers
birth: 11 March 1855 HIGH CHURCH,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
father: William Withers
mother: Eliza Mcilroy

Yep, that's their parents... also a William b. abt. 1852

 

[DaveHam9]

Well there is a tree author who says it's Elizabeth FINDLAY.

 

[horse]

Also a Jessie b. abt. 1842

1851 Glasgow St Mungo

William Withers 30
Elizabeth Withers 34
Jessie Withers 9
Elizabeth Withers 2
James Withers 56

 

[horse]

Well there is a tree author who says it's Elizabeth FINDLAY.

One of 'em's wrong :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

A bit off my main line to get that 1855 birth certificate. I have 4 deaths on my list already for the next time I get some credits.

 

[DaveHam9]

I do have a copy of Robert's:

Page 18
1855 Births in the Landward District of New Monkland in the County of Lanark Registered by John Macarthur, Registrar
No. 87 - Arrol, Robert Not Present - Male - 1855 April Fourth 11h. 30m. P.M. Petersburn - James Arrol Collier 32 years Paisley - 1843 Paisley 1 Boy & 4 Girls living - Jean Arrol Maiden Name Butchart 30 years Shotts Parish Her 6th child - James Arrol Father - 1855 April 16th at New Monkland John Macarthur Registrar

 

[horse]

Name: William Withers
Spouse: Elizabeth Mcilroy
Event Date: 12 Feb 1841
Event Place: Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11975-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 0102928, 1042987, 1042942, 0102927, 1042988, 1042989
Reference ID:

 

[DaveHam9]

Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 26
Civil Parish: Inner High Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St Mungos
Folio: 555 Page: 6 Schedule: 20
Address: 20 Rottenrow Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WITHERS William Head M M 30 Labourer Ireland - -
WITHERS Elizabeth Wife M F 34 - Ireland - -
WITHERS Jessie Dau - F 9 - Lanarkshire - Glasgow
WITHERS Elizabeth Dau - F 2 - Lanarkshire - Glasgow
WITHERS James Father W M 56 Shoemaker Ireland - -

 

[DaveHam9]

I guess the answer is that Elizabeth didn't want to appear to be 6 years older than Robert. Age fudged from marriage onwards.

 

[horse]

I guess the answer is that Elizabeth didn't want to appear to be 6 years older than Robert. Age fudged from marriage onwards.

Yeah, a little mysterious, but the other info appears to fit well..

 

[DaveHam9]

There are three trees that agree and none list Findlay.

Still wondering about this from 1881 census:

William Withers Boarder 26