Ellen and John Evans can anyone help find death cert please

[evans11]

Information I have so far: Ellen Evans married John Evans on the 8th June 1873 at St Paul’s church in the parish of Liverpool.

Ellen was born c1855 in Bangor, Nr Wales, her father was Daniel Evans and he was a Marina. On the marriage cert it says under Age for Ellen that she was a ‘minor’.

John Evans was born c1850/51, John was born in Pwllhel, Nr Wales. On the marriage cert it says under Age John was ‘full’, he was a Marina and his father was William Evans.

At the time of their marriage it says they lived at Crown Court Liverpool.

I have tried to find other info that might be at the church but it is long gone and I don’s know how to find the records if they still exists. Any help would be great

 

[davelambert271]

Hi still alive in 1901
1901 England Census
about John Evans
Name: John Evans
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
John Evans 50 Liverpool Dock Labour
Ellen Evans 47 Bangor
Ann E Whelan 26
Evan J Evans 24
Robert Evans 17
Elizabeth J Evans 12
William Evans 8
Charles Evans 4
Thomas Whelan 5
Caroline Whelan 1

all children born Liverpool except Caroline who was born Manchester

dave

 

[evans11]

Sorry Dave and others forgot to say i have traced them in census up tp 1901 b ut can not find a death date or place, still a bit new at this.

 

[davelambert271]

Sorry Dave and others forgot to say i have traced them in census up tp 1901 b ut can not find a death date or place, still a bit new at this.

Hi - no problem, trying to see if they disappeared off the census returns.
I can't find them in 1911, so maybe they died between 1901 and 1911.
Youngest son Charles 14, is living with sister Elizabeth Jane Lynch nee Evans.
dave

 

[evans11]

thank you dave, where did youy find the infor re charles please, i have tried to find the other children but without luck.

Brian

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Brian

LYNCH, Thomas Head Married M 22 1889 Horse Driver Sheffied Yorkshire
LYNCH, Eliebeth Wife Married 3 years F 22 1889 Liverpool Lancashire
LYNCH, Ellen Daughter Single F 2 1909 Liverpool Lancashire
LYNCH, Thomas Son Single M 1 1910 L Pool Lancashire
LYNCH, John Son Single M 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Liverpool Lancashire
KELLY, Alice Servant Single F 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Liverpool Lancashire
EVANS, Charles Brother-In-Law Single M 14 1897 Liverpool Lancashire
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RG number: RG14
Piece: 22418
Reference: RG14PN22418 RG78PN1322 RD455 SD5 ED12 SN6

Registration District: West Derby
Sub District: Bootle
Enumeration District: 12
Parish:Bootle cum Linacre

Address: 9 Berry St Bootle
County: Lancashire

 

[evans11]

Dave, thank you very much, yet another bit of the Evans family puzzel

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Brian
deaths may be

Ellen 1929 Liverpool ref 8b 136 (aged 76)
If so Ellen should be on 1911, so I'll have another look a bit later.

dave

 

[nainmaddie]

Hi Brian

I have searched the Births for Ellen between 1854 - 1856 in Bangor for you and the following have come up

None in 1855

1854
Jan - Mar Ellin Evans Bangor 11b 481
Apr - June Ellin Ann Evans Bangor 11b 577
Oct - Dec Ellin Evans Bangor 11b 441
Oct - Dec Ellin Evans Bangor 11b 437

1856
Apr - June
Ellin Evans Bangor 11b 537

Don't worry about the spelling of the name. They were all spelt that way in them days !

Your best bet is to try the Bangor Register Office with the fathers details as well. The numbers above are only for the Gro ordering system. If you hurry you will be able to get one charged at £7 each. They are going up to £9.50 on the 1st of April

I have just googled Bangor Register office and you can do it online, it also gives the address

I have given up for the moment on John as the "g.........st is on a go slow, will try later

nainmaddie

 

[gortonboy]

1911 census 9 Tarbet ST

RG14PN22278 RG78PN1316 RD454 SD3 ED27 SN197


EVANS, John Head Married M 61 1850 Mariner Liverpool Lancs
EVANS, Ellen Wife Married
39 years F 58 1853 North Wales Bangor
EVANS, William Son Single M 17 1894 General Messenger Provision Stores Liverpool Lancs
WHELAN, Ann Ellen Daughter Married
17 years F 36 1875 Jam Finisher Jam Manufactory Liverpool Lancs
WHELAN, Thomas Grandson Single M 15 1896 Shop Lad Kind Liverpool Lancs
WHELAN, Caroline Grand Daugher F 11 1900 School Manchester Lancs
WHELAN, Margaret Grand Daugher F 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Liverpool Lancs

 

[nainmaddie]

Hi Brian

I have had a look for John's birth, and found a few. 3 in Pwllheli, and 5 in Liverpool. which do you want ? Pwllheli or Liverpool. I wonder why he said he was born in Pwllheli in the earlier Census

Maddie

 

[davelambert271]

1911 census 9 Tarbet ST

RG14PN22278 RG78PN1316 RD454 SD3 ED27 SN197


EVANS, John Head Married M 61 1850 Mariner Liverpool Lancs
EVANS, Ellen Wife Married
39 years F 58 1853 North Wales Bangor
EVANS, William Son Single M 17 1894 General Messenger Provision Stores Liverpool Lancs
WHELAN, Ann Ellen Daughter Married
17 years F 36 1875 Jam Finisher Jam Manufactory Liverpool Lancs
WHELAN, Thomas Grandson Single M 15 1896 Shop Lad Kind Liverpool Lancs
WHELAN, Caroline Grand Daugher F 11 1900 School Manchester Lancs
WHELAN, Margaret Grand Daugher F 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Liverpool Lancs

Hi gortonboy what did you search on to find that record please? I searched every combination I could think of but didn't get it.
dave

 

[gortonboy]

i searched for caroline whelan,,,and there it was !!! are you on ances,,,,i use fmp? lol

 

[davelambert271]

Hi gortonboy
thanks for that. Must admit I never thought about looking for the Whelans
I use both sites
dave

 

[evans11]

thank you all very much for your time, some excellent leads for me to follow up. nainmaddie not sure why there are two birth places, guess i will have to try a narrow it down.

 

[evans11]

I would still appreciate some tips on finding death cert’s although a name such as Evans doesn’t make things easy.

Brian

 

[nainmaddie]

Dear Brian

I thought that I would give you those births in Pwllheli, so that you could try ordering them before they go up in price.

1850 July - Sept
John Evans Pwllheli XXVII 380
Oct - Dec
John Evans Pwllheli XXVII 356

1851 Mar - April
John Evans Pwllheli XXVII 393

The address to write to
Superintendent Registrar
Pwllheli Register Office
Cob Road
Pwllheli, Gwynedd
LL53 5AA

Telephone 01758 704078

Please do not forget that you cannot quote the Ref Nos for Gro just the year and months, and add his fathers name.

Maddie

 

[evans11]

Maddie, thank you very much for your help, have ordered them, cheers

brian