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Ellen MANN

Ellen Mann's parents were John Mann and Susan Crouch. John Mann's parents were John Simon Mann and Ellen( Eleanor) Goodridge (Goodrich). They were both convicts sentenced to transportation from England. I am away for a few days at present so dates may be a rough guess. From memory John Simon Mann was born about 1804 in London. He was transported on the ship Speke 2 about 1821. He died 1863 at Fraser's Creek near Inverell/Ashford area of NSW. Ellen came out about 1834 as a 14 year old who was found guilty of a crime. She was born in Bath England.
The John Simon Mann who died in Charters Towers was the first cousin of Ellen Mann his father Thomas William Mann was the youngest brother of John Mann and was born in NSW. John Simon and Ellen Mann were married at Port Macquarie. Their three sons were eldest George Mann(who married Susan Crouch's older sister Betsy); 2nd son John Mann ( who married Susan Crouch) and third son Thomas William.
The weddings of George and John were both held on the same day. They were married by Reverend Glennie at School at Drayton Swamp, which is present day Toowoomba . They all headed back to the Inverell/ Ashford area for a number of years. Then moved to Qld, where they lived at Roma and Charleville. Betsy and Susan Crouch's parents John Crouch and Elizabeth Harvey came out as free agricultural workers. Family stories say John Crouch was a bullocky and perished on the Warrego Range near Blackall and Emmet Qld. No one has found a record of his death. There is a John Crouch in the death records for NSW, but is not right John Crouch he is way too young. Elizabeth Crouch nee Harvey is buried in the Mitchell Qld. cemetery. I have proper dates and convict records etc at home, which I can send when I get home. I also have a photo of Ellen Mann as an older lady, plus a newspaper report on her death. Cheers for now Denice Price
 
Thanks for the details.

Baptised the same day.

NSW Bap V1838223 44A/1838 MANN JOHN - JOHN - HELEN - CK= CofE Port Macquarie, St Thomas (Co. Ayr)

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Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Thomas in the County of Macquarie in the Year 1840
No. 62 When Baptised: 4 Septemr. When Born: 22 July 1840 Thomas William - John & Helen Mann Abode: Port Macquarie Quality or Profession: Blacksmith By whom the Ceremony was performed: John Cross
No. 63 When Baptised: 4 Septemr. When Born: 22 April 1838 John - John & Helen Mann Abode: Port Macquarie Quality or Profession: Blacksmith By whom the Ceremony was performed: John Cross

Dave
 
Thanks for the details.

Baptised the same day.

NSW Bap V1838223 44A/1838 MANN JOHN - JOHN - HELEN - CK= CofE Port Macquarie, St Thomas (Co. Ayr)

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Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Thomas in the County of Macquarie in the Year 1840
No. 62 When Baptised: 4 Septemr. When Born: 22 July 1840 Thomas William - John & Helen Mann Abode: Port Macquarie Quality or Profession: Blacksmith By whom the Ceremony was performed: John Cross
No. 63 When Baptised: 4 Septemr. When Born: 22 April 1838 John - John & Helen Mann Abode: Port Macquarie Quality or Profession: Blacksmith By whom the Ceremony was performed: John Cross

Dave
These would be the right people. They have Helen instead of Ellen. Reverend Cross is the person who married John Simon and Ellen Mann at Port Macquarie. They had to get permission to marry because they were convicts. John Simon Mann's trade is listed as being a Blacksmith. I just had a quick look on Qld BDM Family History listing's couldn't find a birth for the John Simon who died in 1892 at Charters Towers, but found a listing 15/02/1864 Unnamed Mann Mother Mary Flanigan Father William Mann. May be a birth date and place on his death certificate . I noticed that there were two children for John Simon and his wife Annabella; Annie Elizabeth 08/11/1885 and Thomas William 21/08/1887. Will do some more digging when I get home . Cheers Denice
 
Hi Dave just found this on Find a Grave. Have attached screen shot. John Simon Mann born 15 February 1863 Rockhampton Qld Mother Mary Mann Spouse Annabella Elizabeth Mann Furlong. Cheers Denice
 

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Curious.

NSW Bap V18411886 25A/1841 CROUCH SUSANNA - JOHN - ELIZABETH - CT

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Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of West Maitland in the County of Northumberland in 1841
No. 286 When Baptised: Novr. 25th When Born: August 19 1841 Susanna - John & Elizabeth Crouch Abode: W Maitland Quality or Profession: Labourer By whom the Ceremony was performed: W Stack

NSW Bap V18411745 26A/1841 CROUCH SUSANNA - JOHN - ELIZABETH CT= CofE Black Creek; Bulwarra; Cloden; East Maitland; Hinton; Hunter District; Maitland; Morpeth; West Maitland

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Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of West Maitland in the County of Northumberland in 1842
No. 347 When Baptised: June 12th When Born: June 9 1840 Betsy - John & Elizabeth Crouch Abode: West Maitland Quality or Profession: Laborer By whom the Ceremony was performed: R. T. Bolton
No. 348 When Baptised: June 12th When Born: Augt. 19 1841 Susanna - John & Elizabeth Crouch Abode: West Maitland Quality or Profession: Laborer By whom the Ceremony was performed: R. T. Bolton
 
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