Ellis SMITH

[DaveHam9]

NSW Marriage 4571/1878 SMITH ELLIS - SOUTHWELL JANE - QUEANBEYAN

NSW Marriages:

V1853311 85/1853 SOUTHWELL THOMAS - CROXTON MARY IQ= Wesleyan Methodist Co. Argyle, Goulburn, Gunning, Yass

2888/1857 SOUTHWELL THOMAS - ROFFE ELIZA - YASS

NSW Births
11856/1859 SOUTHWELL JANE - THOMAS - ELIZA - QUEANBEYAN
11857/1859 SOUTHWELL JANE - THOMAS - MARY - QUEANBEYAN

A small problem. :biggrin: Which Jane married Ellis?

 

[DaveHam9]

I think I know but can't prove it yet.

Those two births must have been very close for two different families to get consecutive reg #.

 

[gibbo]

This may help. Maybe a brother for Jane


Mr. Richard Southwell, who was also present, acted as best man at their
wedding in the year 1878.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/102529763?searchTerm=%22ellis%20smith%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=ellis+smith+|||anyWords|||notWords|||l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||fromdd|||frommm|||fromyyyy|||todd|||tomm|||toyyyy|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||sortby

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

That bit is new info for me.

I think the Wesleyan marriage is the clue because a daughter of Ellis & Jane was buried in Methodist cemetery (but that may have been because of spouse not grandparents).

 

[gibbo]

NSW births for Richard

V18552422 56/1855 SOUTHWELL RICHARD THOMAS MARY
16770/1864 SOUTHWELL RICHARD THOMAS ELIZA YASS

 

[gibbo]

Again not much help.

Queanbeyan Age
Wednesday 10 April 1878

The happy pair in this instance belong to families long resident. The bride being a
daughter of Mr T. Southwell of Parkwood the groom Mr Ellis Smith of Weetangara, etc etc

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[gibbo]

NSW

NSW Births
11856/1859 SOUTHWELL JANE - THOMAS - ELIZA - QUEANBEYAN
11857/1859 SOUTHWELL JANE - THOMAS - MARY - QUEANBEYAN

It was the Jane with parents Thomas and Eliza :biggrin:

Running with the marriage article which mentions Parkwood on previous post i then found this .. a picture of them

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...l"&searchLimits=exactPhrase=thomas++southwell

then found this
http://www.immigrationplace.com.au/...&portletid=1001209&pagemode=2&orderbycolumn=&

 

[gibbo]

Case closed?

 

[gibbo]

Ooops hang on, going by that link Jane was born to the second marriage of Thomas. Jane was from the second wife whose name was Mary.

Thomas and Eliza raised 8 children at “Parkwood”: Thomas, Mary Ann, William, Samson, Samuel, John, Eliza and Lydia. Alfred and Harriet Bembrick who were orphans were also raised by Thomas and Eliza. In 1852 Eliza died from birth complications and her baby Jabez died 4 months later. They are buried at St John’s Cemetery, Reid. In 1853 Thomas married a widow, Mary Croxton (nee Roffe) at Gunning, and had 9 more children: James, Richard, Sarah, Jane, Elizabeth, Mark, Hannah, Beatrice and Benjamin. Mary’s daughters Anne and Harriet were also raised in this large family.

 

[gibbo]

Some head stones for the Southwell family

http://www.davesact.com/2010/10/weetangera-cemetery-headstones.html

 

[gibbo]

This is strange

V1853311 85/1853 SOUTHWELL THOMAS CROXTON MARY IQ
2888/1857 SOUTHWELL THOMAS ROFFE ELIZA YASS

Eliza the first wife died in 1852. why 2 marriage index for different years and different wife names. Was he married 3 times?
Or maybe the 1857 marriage is his son who was also named Thomas.

From the link on the family on a previous post on here ... Is the below a error??

Thomas married a widow, Mary Croxton (nee Roffe)

 

[gibbo]

I give up for now :biggrin: Im going to bed :2fun::2fun:

 

[gibbo]

The arrival of the 2nd wife Mary Roffe, with her parents and siblings.

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ebo...4_4784/Argyle_1 Apr 1839/4_478400084.jpg&No=5


Case closed now?

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo

Great work.

V1845345 30B/1845 CROXTON RICHARD - ROFFE MARY CR= Church of England Cobbitty, Narellan

Burial V1850217 36A/1850 CROXTON RICHARD AGE 39