Elsie I BROWN

[DaveHam9]

I'm guessing with this one as there are lots of birth reg with just Elsie.

Births Mar 1902
Brown Elsie Isabella Salford 8d 102

Probate
HUGGARD, Elsie Isabel otherwise Elsie Isabella of 17 Rollason Rd Erdington Birmingham died 8 March 1968 Probate Birmingham 19 June. £1099.


Looking for Elsie in 1911. There are several. This looks to be the wrong one:

Reference RG14PN1438 RG78PN50 RD17 SD2 ED21 SN253


Probate
HUGGARD, Joseph Pritchard of 17 Rollason Rd Birmingham last known to be alive 3 December 1973 dead body found 5 December 1973 Probate Manchester 22 March £26039 742103903A

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Sep Qtr 1929
Brown Elsie I - Huggard Manchester S. 8d 663
Huggard Joseph P - Brown Manchester S. 8d 663

Midlands E/R
Joseph P Huggard
1945
Erdington
Address: 17 ROLLASON Road, Birmingham
[Elsie is there, but only with middle initial 'I'. There is also an Ellen]

Ellen is probably Joseph's mother and not a daughter. I have only a son for Joseph and Elsie.

Although Ellen died elsewhere:

Probate
HUGGARD Ellen of 102 Hassocks-road Streatham Vale London S.W.16 died 12 April 1948 at Middlesex Hospital London W.1 Administration (with Will) London 26 May to Anne Hamilton Patterson married woman.
Effects £396 17s. 9d.


What else have we got that can help?

 

[horse]

Possible..
1911
County: Lancashire
Address: 4 Marrion St Eveston Rd C-on M Manchester
RD: Chorlton
RD No: 464
Sub-RD: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED: 15; RG14; Piece: 23843

James Brown 35 [b. Salford. Journeyman plumber]
Emily Brown 34 wife [do]
Elsie Brown 9 dau [do]
John F Brown 5 son [b. Manchester]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

About 29x Elsie born Lancashire 1901 - 1903.

Only these two in Salford RD

Births Mar Qtr 1902
BROWN Elsie Isabella Salford 8d 102

Births Jun Qtr 1903
Brown Elsie Edith Salford 8d 81

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

About 29x Elsie born Lancashire 1901 - 1903.

Yeah,the lack of I or Isabel doesn't help. Only other piece that may help one way or the other.. The image has John P not John F.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Son

Births Sep Qtr 1930
Huggard Arthur J - Brown Birmingham N. 6d 911


Huggard Arthur James Jun 1988 Basford Vol 8 page 31 dob 30/6/1930

London, England, Death Notices from The Times, 1982-1988
Arthur James Huggard
Age: 57
Birth 1931
Death Date: 31 Mar 1988
Published: 4 Apr 1988
Spouse: Jane Huggard

Probate
HUGGARD, Arthur James of 12A Whites Croft Woodborough Nottingham died 31 March 1988
Probate Bristol 26 September £176801 8851407251L

 

[DaveHam9]

I have no info on Elsie's parents or siblings from the Hamilton tree I inherited.

Elsie in the E/R 1923 - 1929 as Brown ?

 

[horse]

Assuming the P is for Payne in 1911, there is a tree with this..

"Samuel Payne
1848–1885
Isabella Campbell
1848–"

Geoff

 

[horse]

1881
Broughton in Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Address: 25 Lancaster
RD: Salford
ED: 9a; Piece: 3952; Folio: 44; Page: 9

Samuel Payne 33 [b. Salford. Maker Up (Fact Hand ...)]
Isabella Payne 32 [M'chester]
Ernest J. Payne 9 [b. Salford]
Ellen Payne 6 [b. Broughton]
Emily C. Payne 4 [do]
Alice Payne 2 [do]
Ethel A. Payne 1 [do]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Large number of marriages and deaths for a John P Brown.

Joseph & Elsie and family (probably only son Arthur) in 1939 would be interesting.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

Large number of marriages and deaths for a John P Brown.

Yeah, was trying to avoid going there :biggrin:

Geoff

 

[horse]

John Pearson Brown
Birth 23 Oct 1905
Baptism 18 Oct 1905
Chorlton upon Medlock, St Stephen
Parents = James John Brown & Emily Campbell Brown
Ref GB127.M352/1/1/3
[Add 4 Marriot St. Plumber]

Dates possibly wrong way round, though same on the image.

Address and occ. as 1911.

Not Payne

Geoff

 

[horse]

Death:
John Pearson Brown
Birth Date: 23 Aug 1905
Reg: Dec 1980
Age 75
RD: Trafford. County: Cheshire
39, 1987

This clears up the DoB..

Geoff

 

[horse]

Is there an obvious Pearson link on the line?

Geoff

 

[horse]

I have no info on Elsie's parents or siblings from the Hamilton tree I inherited.

Elsie in the E/R 1923 - 1929 as Brown ?

No obvious E/R's for Lancs on Anc. or FMP

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

No mention of Pearson. No parents or siblings listed for Elsie and no pob.

The tree has full dates for most events but no places.

Marriage listed as 29 Sep 1929.

Only a son Arthur James listed.

Arthur's children - Charles George, Susan Emily and James.

Dave