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Elsie May Jones

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Hi

I am trying to find my Great Grandmother's Birth Certificate.

Her name was Elsie May Jones she we think was born on the 6th Feb 1910 we don't know where or whether this is the right date.

She married a Paul Johnson Voellner in 1928 on here marriage cert if said her father was a Arthur Jones this is another brick wall I have no info other than the fathers name

My grandad has searched for ages with no luck and now I have taken over with no luck.

I think there could be a link somewhere with the ormrod name as my grandad had a aunty who's name was amy elizabeth Ormrod who he called aunty Amy. I have also exhausted my search with the Ormrods as well.

If someone could possibly help me as I am about to give up and think that Elsie was adopted or born out of wedlock or something as she has no birth certificate..

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Just posting for a little back ground.

Marriages Dec 1928
Voellner Paul J - Jones - Manchester S. 8d 73
JONES Elsie M - Voellner - Manchester S. 8d 73

I assume Elsie May was born in the Uk as well?
 

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1939 Register

Voellner Household
Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Paul (Johnson) Voellner 1908
Elsie Voellner is also on this record

If someone has full access i think it should give Elsie's place of birth. Her year of birth is 1910.
 

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Trying to find connection to Arthur.

Amy Elizabeth Ormrod
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
Event Place South Manchester, C-On-M Manchester, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Parish South Manchester
Sub-District Chorlton Upon Medlock
Registration District Chorlton
Age 4
Birthplace Manchester, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
John Ormrod Head M 28 Manchester, Lancashire
Amy Elizabeth Ormrod Wife F 26 Manchester, Lancashire
Amy Elizabeth Ormrod Daughter F 4 Manchester, Lancashire
Winifred Beatrice Ormrod Daughter F 3 Manchester, Lancashire

Marriages Sep Qtr 1906
INGHAM Amy Elizabeth Chorlton 8c 1431
ORMROD John Chorlton 8c 1431
 

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1911 census:

Name: Elsie Mary Jones
Age in 1911: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Street address: 10 Priestley Street Sheffield Yorks
Registration district: Sheffield

Arthur Jones 38
Elsie Jones 26
James Leonard Jones 3
Elsie Mary Jones 1

This could be the registration:

Name: Elsie Mary Jones
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 587

Sheffield is only the other side of the Peak District National Park

Amanda
 
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Hi

Thank you for that info but I already have it.

If you want another mystery apparantly my grandad said that Elsie mays mother married Amy Elizabeth Juniors mother but amy's mother who is amy senior died after the 1911 census in september so we know that wasn't true.

lol it's a mystery this one
 

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I'm having issues with this site.

Marriages Mar Qtr 1906
JONES Arthur Bicester 3A 1208A
KIRTLAND Elsie

Fits the census but not sure it is the right one.
 

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Hi

Thank you for that info but I already have it.
Yes but we didnt have it and sometimes its that sort of info that helps us to work backwards to find what you are looking for. We needed to find Elsie's mother's maiden name to find the right birth for her.

If you already have the 1939 reg. entry it should state where Elsie was born which should help us narrow down the right birth also as there are quiet a few Elsie May Jones's.
 

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That is the right marriage Dave, I can see the original and Arthur was from Sheffield.

Name: Arthur Jones
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1873
Marriage or Bann Date: 16 Jan 1906
Marriage Place: Weston on Green, Oxfordshire, England

Spouse: Elsie Kirtland
Father: James Jones

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JONES, ELSIE MARY KIRTLAND
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 587

JONES, JULIA LENORA KIRTLAND
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 1004

Im not sure about this.. Elsie MARY, Sept. Quarter and 1909.
 
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Hi

Thank you for that info but I already have it.

If you want another mystery apparantly my grandad said that Elsie mays mother married Amy Elizabeth Juniors mother but amy's mother who is amy senior died after the 1911 census in september so we know that wasn't true.

lol it's a mystery this one
That's a bit confusing, who's mother married who's father?? and would that be after their spouses die?? Because Elsie was a spinster when she married Arthur.
 

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1939 Register

Voellner Household
Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR
Paul (Johnson) Voellner 1908
Elsie Voellner is also on this record

If someone has full access i think it should give Elsie's place of birth. Her year of birth is 1910.
Can someone check out the 1939 reg. and see if it states where Elsie was born please. It might help to confirm or eliminate any births.
 
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