Elsie May Jones

[juliejtp]

Ok. What about Arthurs occupation?.

 

[Ladybird1300]

At the time of their marriage Arthur was a railway guard and his father James was a labourer

Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

Confirming Elsie's dob as per 1939 Register ?

If it is 6 Feb 1910 then ... ?

Dave

 

[Ladybird1300]

Didn't find a baptism so yes I suppose so

Amanda

 

[gibbo]

It's on #9

Amanda

No it isnt, i asked for the 1939 reg. I wanted to see what info it had on it for Elsie hoping it would help to see if the right birth reg had been found.

 

[Ladybird1300]

I put her birth reg on #9

Name: Elsie Mary Jones
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 587

Amanda

 

[gibbo]

I put her birth reg on #9

Name: Elsie Mary Jones
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 587

Amanda

Yes i realise that and i seen that but how do we know its the correct one, i was looking for something else to help confirm it.

 

[Bootzy]

Morning All,

1939 Census for 12 Howard Avenue, Manchester CB Lancashire has:
Paul (Johnson ) Voellner born 7 April 1908 a Engineer Grinder and Elsie Voellner b 6 Feb 1910 h/d.

On 1911 census for Wales has:
Arthur Jones 36 b Eldon Herefordshire a lab
Martha Jones 35 b Halford Shropshire – married 4 years - 1 child living
Elsie May Jones 8 months b Llanarthney Carmarthenshire Wales
Plus a boarder at Tyorewyd Cothyes Hands, Llannon SO Carm.

Elsie Voellner b 1910 died Dec qtr 1951 Manchester Lancs Vol 10e Page 313

Paul Johnson Voellner b 7/4/08 died 26/10/ 1976 Manchester Lancs Vol 38 Page 0807

Pauls parents = Paul Washington Voellner and Sarah Gardner

regards Val

 

[gibbo]

Morning All,

1939 Census for 12 Howard Avenue, Manchester CB Lancashire has:
Paul (Johnson ) Voellner born 7 April 1908 a Engineer Grinder and Elsie Voellner b 6 Feb 1910 h/d.

On 1911 census for Wales has:
Arthur Jones 36 b Eldon Herefordshire a lab
Martha Jones 35 b Halford Shropshire – married 4 years - 1 child living
Elsie May Jones 8 months b Llanarthney Carmarthenshire Wales
Plus a boarder at Tyorewyd Cothyes Hands, Llannon SO Carm.

Elsie Voellner b 1910 died Dec qtr 1951 Manchester Lancs Vol 10e Page 313

Paul Johnson Voellner b 7/4/08 died 26/10/ 1976 Manchester Lancs Vol 38 Page 0807

Pauls parents = Paul Washington Voellner and Sarah Gardner

regards Val

Thank you so much Val, so it appears the birth found earlier was wrong. Thank you.

 

[Bootzy]

no problems Gibbo..

was trying to find her parents marriage but only one in Wales is for June 1909, so they married in UK... fair few Arthur Jones's between 1906 & 1909..

Closest match is a Arthur George Jones Dec 1906 Ludlow Vol 6a Page 1236 to Martha Hancock - Ludlow spans boundaries of Herefordshire & Shropshire.

**** edit - NOT that one - different people on 1911 census..

 

[Bootzy]

Elsie’s birth

Elsie Jones June qtr 1910 Carmarthen Vol 11a Page 1438

regards Val

 

[DaveHam9]

1911 census on 2 April so 8 months old does not fit either if 6 Feb 1910 as per 1939 Register is correct.

Arthur's occupation on Elsie's marriage as Julie requested earlier ??

Dave

 

[gibbo]

1911 census on 2 April so 8 months old does not fit either if 6 Feb 1910 as per 1939 Register is correct.

Arthur's occupation on Elsie's marriage as Julie requested earlier ??

Dave

Post #22 Dave

Ladybird posted it "At the time of their marriage Arthur was a railway guard"

 

[gibbo]

Ellie, did your Elsie May have any siblings that you know of?

 

[DaveHam9]

Gibbo, I think that was for this marriage that fitted a census that I didn't think was the right one.

Marriages Mar Qtr 1906
JONES Arthur Bicester 3A 1208A
KIRTLAND Elsie

Occupation for Elsie's father Arthur on Elsie May's marriage in 1928.


I'm also still trying to work out how Amy Elizabeth Ormrod was an aunt.

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Hi
Her name was Elsie May Jones she we think was born on the 6th Feb 1910

Births in England for the above time period.

Births Mar quarter 1910
JONES Elsie May -- King's N. 6c 387 -- MMN Garbett
JONES Elsie May -- W. Derby 8b 469 -- MMN Hollett
JONES Elsie May -- Merthyr T. 11a 887 -- MMN Owens
JONES Elsie May -- Walsall 6b 690 -- MMN Dobson
JONES Elsie May -- Walsall 6b 738 -- MMN Tooth

 

[DaveHam9]

I tried a few of those with a marriage to Arthur and no luck.

Didn't try these yesterday

Marriages Jun 1901
GARBETT Sarah Dudley 6c 1
Gelder Mary Ellen R Dudley 6c 1
JONES Arthur William Dudley 6c 1
Thorpe Thomas Dudley 6c 1


Marriages Jun 1907
DAVIES Sarah Jane Bedwellty 11a 212
DOBSON Eleanor Bedwellty 11a 212
JONES Arthur Victor Bedwelty 11a 212
REES Gwilym Owen Bedwelty 11a 212


Not easy searching 1911 in FS with no option for dob.

 

[DaveHam9]

Elsie is a sister-in-law of this Amy junior somehow.

EDIT: Should be first cousins

Births Mar Qtr 1907
ORMROD Amy Elizabeth - Chorlton 8c 871 mmn INGHAM

Marriages Sep Qtr 1906
INGHAM Amy Elizabeth - Chorlton 8c 1431
ORMROD John - Chorlton 8c 1431


If 'Arthur' is correct then I can't see a marriage before or after 1910 that would fit that idea.

Or ...

 

[DaveHam9]

INGHAM, ELSIE mmn INGHAM
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 386


No Elsie Ormrod born 1910 in GRO.

 

[Ell33]

Thank you for that.

So do you think Elsie was born a ingham and maybe made jones up? Grandad says she had no brothers and sisters and I only know that Arthur was the father from the wedding certificate.

He did say that she had cousins called Edith Eric and John Ormrod if this helps