So much data to check! Been trying to ‘wipe egg off my face’ re: marriage date for John & Martha. Must have got 1792 from somewhere; can’t track it down again – yet! First starting a spreadsheet I transcribed all basic information into it; names, dates etc. Sources were not transcribed; it was, at first, a close-family project until it became an obsession! In a mountain of dusty paperwork probably lives the answer. I also had birthdates: 1765/67 for John and 1773 for Martha.
Away from eggy-face mode! Much of the data proffered I already had but much is new to me, which certainly spurs you on! Having had a sort out I offer the following information (apologies for its not being in any specific order):
hunting John/Martha this popped up; might be of interest to you:
Transcribed from Warnford Mrrgs
(1667-1754 + banns 1811-23) by & copyrighted to Linda & Tony Knight 2006.
William Lillywhite & Anne Pink January 6th 1733.
Transcribed from Warnford Bptzms
(1541-1771. 1776-1812) by & copyrighted to Linda & Tony Knight 2006.
A dghtr of William & Anne (Pink) Lillywhite March 1734.
Sarah: dghtr of Wllm & Ann(e?) Lillywhite born Nov & bptzd 19th of same month 1738.
William: son of Wllm & Ann(e?) Lillywhite bptzd: Nov 18th 1741.
John: son of Wllm & Ann(e?) Lillywhite bptzd: June 8th 1746.
Earlier than your interest I know but it shows how consistent the names have been. I think there’s a Lillywhite Family Tree online; you may have found it already.
The Henry Trodd you mention: born c1816 (1841 census rounded ages up or down so notoriously inaccurate! I have a birthdate of 1813) is actually a West Meon Henry. He was a wheelright; mrrd to Martha and spent his whole life in West Meon. Martha was his second wife. I have much information for West Meon folk and can enlarge on Henry if he’s your man. I don’t think he is as his parents are Emmanuel & Anne.
David the Hairdresser is also West Meon and brother of Henry, as are Charles, James and the elusive Abraham. I wish Henry was your man as that would be the link I’ve been seeking.
I strongly feel that John & Martha are linked to West Meon folk but don’t yet know how. I do have a West Meon John born 1766 in West Meon, mrrd to Anne unknown 5/2/1789 (you gave me this one Hammy!). No other information (unusually so for West Meon folk!). I wonder if this John parted from Anne, moved away from W.Meon and eventually started a new life with Martha – in which case he would certainly never mention W.Meon; though perhaps not actually entering into a bigamous mrrg. Conjecture is not the right road but if anyone can prove this to be I would love to know!
West Meon comes within Droxford Parish within Winchester. I guess mrggs in the same quarter for related pairs are not unusual for the time as travelling around Parishes was not so easy and the appropriate clergy often had set timetables for being in any one particular place during each quarter. Throughout my family research I’ve come across several instances of sibling bptsms/marriages occurring in the same quarter and on the same day. Hopefully, burials may have been the exception!
Have just checked for Emanuel’s parents so all becomes curiouser and curiouser! West Meon John b: 1766 & Anne are Emanuel’s parents. (Yes, I had the duffer head on for a moment!). I’ve long known that Emanuel’s family are an odd bunch so nothing surprises me with them. More conjecture – Emanuel b: 1785 bptzd: 1787, has a sister Maria b: 1788 or 1791 (it changed with each census!). Were both illegitimate? No other siblings, perhaps because John left for pastures new. If this John is the John with Martha (married or not); Emanuel, Maria and Benjamin etc would be blood-related. My link! Can anyone weasel this information out? Let me know if you want further information as this may all be leading you down the wrong road!
Just to add a little bit; I have a Sarah Trodd, born in 1750, possibly in W.Meon and who died in 1795 and is buried in W.Meon. No other information as to parents, siblings or if a Trodd through marriage.
Look at the time! Will leave for now but will be back with more soon!