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I can't see an entry for Thomas TRODD in Crockford's Clerical Directory but there is a mention on this website

http://eagle.cch.kcl.ac.uk:8080/cce/locations/CreateLocationFrames.jsp?locKey=14775

saying he was curate of Buriton/Petersfield Chapel.

Regarding this, have a look at the following:

Parochial chapel: Odiham, Yss chapel. Source: HRO 21M65 A2/3 (Act Book).
Ordinary/Jurisdiction: North, Brownlow/Winchester 1781-1820.
CCEd Location IDs: 14958/275883 Location Summary: Hampshire. Diocese (Jurisdiction): Winchester.
Diocese (Geographic): Winchester. In Location: Odiham.

Location History:
CCE Region: Winchester. Archdeaconry: Winchester. Start Date: 1541 (X). End Date: 1819 (S). Union Notes: ? Liss absorbed; 1819 separated.

Evidence:

Name as Recorded. Year Type Office
Newlin, Richard 1768 Appt (Licensing) Curate
Trodd, Thomas 1772 Appt (Licensing) Curate
Newlin, Richard 1772 Vac (Death) Curate
Street, Stephen 1788 Libc Curate
Street, blank 1788 Libc Minister
Trodd, Thomas: 5/7/1792 Vac (Death) Perpetual Curate
Street, Stephen 1792 Appt (Licensing) Perpetual Curate
Sheet, Stephen 1795 Vac (Death) Perpetual Curate
Thwaites, James 1795 Appt (Licensing) Perpetual Curate
Platelle, James 1812 Libc Curate
West, George 1816 Appt (Licensing) Curate

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Looks as if this Richard was a bit of a lad then!

Regarding Itchen Ferry, egg on my face! redf)

It was so long ago that I gathered some of the info I have that I'd forgotten I'd found it! Yes, I do have a little Itchen/Itchen Ferry data as follows:

ALBERT E TRODD born: 1880 in ITCHEN, HANTS. Occupation: YACHT SEAMAN.
1881 & 1901 - SOUTHAMPTON ST MARY

BENJAMIN TRODD born: 1843 in HAMPSHIRE. Married: Sarah A unknown born:1845 in Itchen.
1901 England Census shows mrrd to Sarah and resident in Itchen St Mary Extra Hants. (Ancestry.com).

TOM TRODD born: 1887 in ITCHEN HANTS. Occupation: ENGINE CLEANING CONTRACTOR.
1901 - S'HAMPTON ST MARY EXTRA

Also, I hadn't realised that Itchen had a name change to Woolston! I do have some listings for Woolston: covers 1860-1901. Not particularly relevant to what is being discussed.

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I have found the following details which I believe refers to the Benjamin in question:

Births Sep 1842
Trodd Benjamin South Stoneham 7 194

West End Parish Baptisms:
1845 Aug 10 - Trodd, Benjamin
Mother: Harriet Trodd* of Bitterne - Unmarried

*Could this be the Harriet Trodd b1811, who later married George Pennicott?

Marriages Sep 1865
Trodd Benjamin S. Stoneham 2c 85
Veal Sarah Ann S. Stoneham 2c 85

1871 Census:
Whirlwind of Portsmouth
Benjamin Trodd Married 27 Master Bitterne Hants
Sarah Ann Trodd Married 26 Master Wife Itchen Ferry Hants

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A search of the 1841 Census revealed only 2 Harriett Trodds:

1.Household TRODD, Harriett 1811 30 F Stoneham, South Hampshire

2.Household TRODD, Harriott 1805 36 F Southampton Hampshire

The first one is John & Martha Trodd's daughter still living at home.
The second one is the wife of a Richard Trodd, and mother to 7 children.

So in conclusion, the evidence seems to indicate that Benjamin Trodd b.1842 in the grandson of John & Martha Trodd.

I rest my case.
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You two have been busy.:D

I'm now fairly sure my TRODDS came from Itchen Ferry Village. My only concern is the 1841 census which has proved to be accurate so far. Even Marths'a age is exactly right - not rounded down. John says he was not born in county.:confused:

With the lack of evidence in the parish records I am not sure we are ever to crack this one.:mad:
 
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Have a look at the following which I found quite recently on the lezleeztrees website. It confirms some of what we already know; follows on from your information Hammy, but you might find some interest in it:

JOHN TRODD born: c1718 in PETERSFIELD. Married: 5/2/1740 to Martha Bonny in Petersfield. Marriage information from lesleeztreez.com
THOMAS TRODD born: 1745 in PETERSFIELD. Parents: John Trodd & Martha unknown. Occ: Revd. Curate of Petersfield. Mrrd: Susan Barbara unknown (Shackleford)? In Petersfield. Thomas Born: 16th October 1745. Bptzd: 5th November 1745. Died: 1792 in Petersfield and aged 47yrs. Buried: 27th February 1792. Information from lesleeztreez.com (Shackleford via Hammy).
SUSAN BARBARA TRODD born: 5th September 1768. Bptzd: 27th October 1768. Parents: Rev. Thomas & Susan Barbara (unknown).
Married: 26th April 1792 to John Meare a Clerk from Petersfield who was born: 1766. Mrrg Licence granted 25th April 1792. Witnesses: John Chitty & Mary Ann Trodd. Susan buried: 23rd July 1800. Information from lesleeztreez.com
ELIZABETH TRODD born: 11th February 1770 in Petersfield. Bptzd: 9th April 1770. Parents: Rev. Thomas & Susanna (unknown). Died: 23rd April 1802 aged 32yrs and in Petersfield. Information from lesleeztreez.com
MARY ANNE TRODD Born: 5th February 1771 in Petersfield. Bptzd: 9th April 1771. Parents: Rev. Thomas & Susan Barbara unknown. Information from lesleeztreez.com
THOMAS TRODD: born: 13th April 1775. Bptzd: 13th April 1775 in PETERSFIELD. Parents: Rev. Thomas & Susan Barbara (unknown). Died: 1775 an inf in Petersfield. Buried: 21st July 1775. Information from lesleeztreez.com
JANE TRODD born: 7th July 1772. Bptzd: 10th July 1772 in PETERSFIELD, HANTS. Parents: Rev. Thomas & Susan Barbara (unknown). Died: 7th Sept 1772 an inf and in Petersfield. Buried: 7th September 1772. Information from lesleeztreez.com
CHARLES EDWARD TRODD born: 16th Nov 1773. Baptzd: 24th May 1774 in PETERSFIELD. Parents: Rev. Thomas & Susan Barbara (unknown). Information from lesleeztreez.com
MARTHA TRODD born: 3rd June 1776. Bptzd: 23rd October 1776 in PETERSFIELD. Parents: Rev. Thomas & Susan Barbara (unknown). Information from lesleeztreez.com
MARTHA TRODD born: 1780 in PETERSFIELD. Married: 16th Feb 1802 to Simeon Etty and in Petersfield. Simeon born: 1777 St Aldgate's, Oxford; a Gent & Bchl. Mrrg Licence granted 15th February 1802. Wtnsss: Martha & unknown Etty, Mary Ann Trodd & John E Shackleford. Information from lesleeztreez.com
JOHN TRODD born: 1554 in PETERSFIELD, HANTS. Married: 29th Jan 1575 to Agnes Palmer and in Petersfield. Marriage information from lesleeztreez.com
MARY TRODD Born: 5th April 1743. Bptzd: 3rd May 1743 in PETERSFIELD, HANTS. Parents: John & Martha unknown.Died: 1743 an inf and in Petersfield. Buried: 27th September 1743. Information from lesleeztreez.com
MARTHA TRODD Born: 23rd December 1747. Bptzd: 21st January 1748 In PETERSFIELD, HANTS. Parents: John & Martha unknown. Information from lesleeztreez.com
ELIZABETH TRODD Born: 1st March 1748. Bptzd 30th March 1749 in PETERSFIELD, HANTS. Parents: John & Martha unknown. Married: 29th April 1766 to Rev. Timothy Lowton of Petersfield. Timothy was Rev. Of Manchester. Mrrg Banns were read 6/13 & 20th January 1766. Witnesses: Thomas Trodd, Bradly Bridger, John Eggar, Susan Shackleford & Martha Chitty. All information from lesleeztreez.com
AUGUSTUS JOHN TRODD born: 1880 or 1860? in PETERSFIELD, HANTS. Occ: DRAPER'S CLERK. LKA: 9A Margaret St East Marylebone. 1881 Census & 1901 – MARYLEBONE, LONDON (Single in 1901).

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A search of the 1841 Census revealed only 2 Harriett Trodds:

1.Household TRODD, Harriett 1811 30 F Stoneham, South Hampshire

2.Household TRODD, Harriott 1805 36 F Southampton Hampshire

The first one is John & Martha Trodd's daughter still living at home.
The second one is the wife of a Richard Trodd, and mother to 7 children.

So in conclusion, the evidence seems to indicate that Benjamin Trodd b.1842 in the grandson of John & Martha Trodd.

I rest my case.
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Hello Maggie,

I have a tiny scrap of information for Harriet born1811. Confirms parents as John Trodd and Martha (unknown) but also noted that Harriet also known as Henrietta. Could mean nothing, one of those transcriber errors but it might be significant when searching for Harriet!

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A search of the 1841 Census revealed only 2 Harriett Trodds:

1.Household TRODD, Harriett 1811 30 F Stoneham, South Hampshire

2.Household TRODD, Harriott 1805 36 F Southampton Hampshire

The first one is John & Martha Trodd's daughter still living at home.
The second one is the wife of a Richard Trodd, and mother to 7 children.

So in conclusion, the evidence seems to indicate that Benjamin Trodd b.1842 in the grandson of John & Martha Trodd.

I rest my case.
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Maggie,

Have had a quick look on Ancestry and found this:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
Name: Harriet Trodd
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: South Stoneham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 7
Page: 299


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
Name: George Penicott
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: South Stoneham
County: Hampshire
Volume: 7
Page: 299

Seems Harriet married George late in life for the times - aged 37yrs.

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Hi gemma's pal, yes that's right. She was 39yrs, 41yrs & 42yrs when she had George's children. I believe she died aged approx 93yrs in 1904. She must have been a tough old bird! :) I found the following details:

1901 census - household transcription
Person: PENNICOTT, Harriett
Address: 1, High Street Bitterne Terrace, Bitterne

PENNICOTT, George Head Married M 77 1824 Retired Woodman Sussex
PENNICOTT, Harriett Wife Married F 90 1811 Weston Hampshire

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Hi gemma's pal, yes that's right. She was 39yrs, 41yrs & 42yrs when she had George's children. I believe she died aged approx 93yrs in 1904. She must have been a tough old bird! :) I found the following details:

1901 census - household transcription
Person: PENNICOTT, Harriett
Address: 1, High Street Bitterne Terrace, Bitterne

PENNICOTT, George Head Married M 77 1824 Retired Woodman Sussex
PENNICOTT, Harriett Wife Married F 90 1811 Weston Hampshire

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I'm impressed! As you say "A game old bird"!

It's surprising how many births amongst 40 odd year olds we come across in the 17 & 1800s, considering that even these days it's seen as fairly uncommon. Not forgetting either that the expected life span was lower.

Harriett obviously intended breaking all records. Good for her that she would have seen her children into adulthood and with families of their own.

Wouldn't it be great if we could expand on her life story even further as she does seem to have been an all-round exceptional lady?!

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Hi GP, yes it would be great to have an insight into their lives. Even back then some women had "Toyboys!"

Here is another glimpse into Harriet's life:

1861 census - household transcription
Person: PENNICOT, Harriet
Address: Bitterne Terrace, South Stoneham

PENNICOT, George Head Married M 35 1826 Labourer Cranborne Dorset (This is a transcription error, should read Chichester, Sussex)
PENNICOT, Harriet Wife Married F 49 1812 Southampton
PENNICOT, Harriet Daughter F 14 1847 Scholar Bitterne Hampshire?
PENNICOT, Mary Daughter F 11 1850 Scholar Bitterne Hampshire
PENNICOT, George Son M 10 1851 Scholar Bitterne Hampshire
PENNICOT, Henry Son M 8 1853 Scholar Bitterne Hampshire

I search for the birth of Harriet Pennicott c1847, to no avail. However, I did find the following entry.

Births Sep 1846
Trodd Harriet S. Stoneham 7 230

Considering George was c22yrs when he married Harriet in 1848. Two years after daughter Harriet was born, I think it unlikely that he was the father. This seems to indicate to me, that Harriet Trodd 1811 may have had 2 illegitimate children. Benjamin 1842 & Harriet 1846???

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Hi,

That is interesting as I had Harriet in my tree but not her Husband or children

The full family entry for the 1841 Census is:-

John Trodd 76
Martha Trodd 68
Harriet Trodd 30
William Trodd 24
Ann Trodd 5

I have not been able to track down who Ann is the child of Could this also be Harriet?

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Isn't it a small world.

I can remember a Mrs Pennicot from my childhood - I bet she was a distant relative but we didn't know it.

In the 1901 census the PENNICOTS are living next door to a family called WOODFORD from Norley Wood - guess who else I am researching? :biggrin:

Can anyone find Ann TRODD in the 1851 census to see who she belongs to?
 
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Hammy,

The most likely entry for Ann during the 1851 census seems to be as follows:


1851 England Census
Name: Ann Trodd
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Weston, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Esther Berry 41
Catherine S Hathorn 5
Charles Hathorn 1
George Hathorn 46
George Hathorn 4
Henry Hathorn 4
Isabella Hathorn 32
Isabella Hathorn 6
Maria Hathorn 6
William Hathorn 2
Ellen Kimber 20
Ann Trodd 15
Jane Truckell 22
Ann Turner 39

Ann is described on the census as a Nursery Maid.

The Head of Household is George Hathorn; a Captain in the Royal Navy on Half Pay.

I couldn't see that any other entry came as close to being the Ann saught as this entry does.

I guess it was inevitable that at 15yrs old Ann would be in service somewhere so no nearer to finding who her actual mum & dad were! :(

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Hi All, yesterday I visited Southampton Archives and I found the following information. I don't know if it helps or causes further confusion:confused:

West End Parish Marriages:
19 April 1860
TRODD Harriet Ann - 23 - Spinster - Itchen Ferry.
Father: George TRODD - Labourer
TAPLIN Charles - 23 - Bachelor - Smith - Itchen Ferry.
Father: Charles TAPLIN*- Smith
Witnesses: John & **Charlotte Buckett.

*Arthur Trodd (my g.g.grandfather) was Charles Taplin's apprentice in the 1851 Census.

**Charlotte was groom's sister.

Census of 1871 household transcription
Person: TAPLIN, Ann
Address: Bitterne Valley Bunker's Cottage, South Stoneham

TAPLIN, Charles Head M 34 1837 Hampshire
TAPLIN, Ann Wife F 35 1836 Hampshire
TAPLIN, Henry Son M 12 1859 Hampshire
TAPLIN, Charlotte Daughter F 9 1862 Hampshire
TAPLIN, Emma Daughter F 4 1867 Hampshire

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Here are a couple of baptisms:

Harriet daughter of John & Mary TRODD 4 May 1834 at South Stoneham


Ann illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth TRODD & Charles CARTER 18 October 1835 at St Mary Extra.

I can't see a George TRODD around at this time but will root out my notes.
 
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Hello All!

So much information again!

Found the following, thought it might be of interest. The 1841 census info is displayed on the first page of the census itself. I only found it as one of my George look-ups was on the adjacent page to the information so it is literally 'discovered by chance'. :) There is a good deal more to this info, pity the data collected wasn't as comprehensive! We know ages were rounded down but I, for one, hadn't realised it could be (officially) by up to 4yrs. If folk were unsure or lied about their age the margin between truth and imaginary ages could be very wide. No wonder we can have such difficulty finding folk!

1841 England Census
Name: George Trodd Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Civil Parish: South Stoneham Hundred: Mainsbridge (Lower Half)
Registration district: South Stoneham. Sub registration district: South Stoneham
Bitterne
John Trodd 35, Victualler. Mary Trodd 30. Mary Trodd 9. Harriett Trodd 7.
George Trodd 4. Ellen Trodd 1. Jane Gibbons 11, who is Jane ? (A cousin? A playmate of Mary & Harriets?).

About 1841 England Census
This database contains an every name index to the 1841 England Census with links to images of the original census returns. Information available in this database includes: name, age, estimated birth year, relationship to head of household.
The 1841 Census for England was taken on the night of 6 June 1841. The following information was requested:
Name of the street, place, road, etc., House number or name
Name of each person that had spent the night in that household
Age* *** (indicated by which column the age is recorded in)
Profession or occupation. Where born**
*The ages of people over 15 years old were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 years. Therefore, someone who was actually 24 years would have their age listed as 20, and someone who was actually 27 years old would have their age listed as 25.
**The "Where Born" column only asked two questions - 1) whether born in same county, and 2) whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts. Possible answers and abbreviations to question #1 include: Yes (Y), No, (N), or Not Known (NK). For question #2, the following abbreviations were used: Scotland (S), Ireland (I), and Foreign Parts (F).
Enumeration forms were distributed to all households a couple of days before census night and the complete forms were collected the next day. All responses were to reflect the individual's status as of 6 June 1841 for all individuals who had spent the night in the house. People who were traveling or living abroad were enumerated at the location where they spent the night on census night. All of the details from the individual forms were later sorted and copied into enumerators' books, which are the records we can view images of today. The original householder's schedules from 1841 to 1901 were destroyed.

I have a copy of the full details if anyone feels the need for them. Covers about 3 x A4 sheets!

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Hello Folks!

Thanks for all that information GP. I believe Jane Gibbons was the daughter of Mary Trodd by her first husband.:)

Marriage:
TRODD John
GIBBONS Mary (widow)
31 Oct 1831 St Mary Southampton

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