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Enlisting for the AIF from the UK

marjon

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Does anyone know whether UK citizens could enlist for the Australian Infantry Forces in WWI ? I have found service records on the National Archives of Australia website for an Angelo Gay and his brother Leander Gay.
I’ve had a closer look at Angelo’s Attestation papers and notice that he joined the AIF in 1915 when he was 22 years old. Most of the “addresses” mentioned, ie where he was born, Leeds, Yorkshire, and his mother’s address in Balham, London, all point to the notion that he enlisted from the UK, but is that correct? Did he arrive in Australia before that ? and it’s interesting that nowhere on the form does it give where he was living at the time. He had been in a Reserve Unit – 3rd Battalion Duke of Cornwall Light Infantry before his joining the AIF, and a comment is made where that information is given, “6 months Emigration”. Maybe being part of a Reserve Unit, or a volunteer, allowed him to apply to emigrate to Australia?? Can anyone give more information on this chap? I have looked at the public trees on Ancestry.com by the way, but I'm trying to piece the jigsaw together without that information, which may be wrong. Thanks in anticipation :confused:
 
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GAY, Richard Head Married M 35 1876 Soldier And Musican - Goldstream Guards, Surrey Battersea
GAY, Fanny Wife Married17 years F 36 1875 West Derby Liverpool VIEW
GAY, Angelo Son Single M 16 1895 Leeds Yorkshire
GAY, Llander Son M 14 1897 School Ballincolly Cork
GAY, Fanny Daughter F 12 1899 School Brixton Surrey
GAY, Ethel Daughter F 10 1901 School Brixton Surrey
GAY, Richard Son M 8 1903 School Brixton Surrey
GAY, Fred Son M 6 1905 Brixton Surrey
GAY, Mill Daughter F 4 1907 Brixton Surrey
BROWN, Charles Boarder Widower M 64 1847 Boot Agent Tottenham Const Rd W C

RG number: RG14
Piece: 2309
Reference: RG14PN2309 RG78PN78A RD26 SD5 ED24 SN258
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub District: Streatham
Parish: Wandsworth Borough

Address: 58 Rossiter Road Balham S W London
 
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there's a service record for his father which gives quite a lot of info, including
married Fanny Bowers 12/8/1895 St Georges Church Leeds.
Daughter Daisy born 8/10/10 London died 29/12/10
Demob. 3/5/19 to 7 Regent Rd, Elm Park, Fairfield, Liverpool

he is on 1901 census in Lambeth, born 1895 Leeds

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Hi marjon,

He was 22 years old and a station hand living at Yednalne Station Cradock North South Australia.

I found the information on his nominal roll on the below site
http://www.awm.gov.au/

edited to add.. The attachment come up real small, but just click on it and it will enlarge.
 
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GAY Leander R year of birth 1896 year of arrival 1914
port London destination Australia Adelaide

I cant find the ship he arrived on.

Havent been able to find Angelo arriving yet.
 
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GAY, Richard Head Married M 35 1876 Soldier And Musican - Goldstream Guards, Surrey Battersea
GAY, Fanny Wife Married17 years F 36 1875 West Derby Liverpool VIEW
GAY, Angelo Son Single M 16 1895 Leeds Yorkshire
GAY, Llander Son M 14 1897 School Ballincolly Cork
GAY, Fanny Daughter F 12 1899 School Brixton Surrey
GAY, Ethel Daughter F 10 1901 School Brixton Surrey
GAY, Richard Son M 8 1903 School Brixton Surrey
GAY, Fred Son M 6 1905 Brixton Surrey
GAY, Mill Daughter F 4 1907 Brixton Surrey
BROWN, Charles Boarder Widower M 64 1847 Boot Agent Tottenham Const Rd W C

RG number: RG14
Piece: 2309
Reference: RG14PN2309 RG78PN78A RD26 SD5 ED24 SN258
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub District: Streatham
Parish: Wandsworth Borough

Address: 58 Rossiter Road Balham S W London
http://www.heavendirectory.com/funeral-notice/Frederick-Leander-Gay/120296/

Wonder if this is Fred(above):(

Richard obviously thought loads of his brother...naming his son after him and giving another son his middle name.....if indeed the Fred on the link i posted s indeed Richard's son.
 

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Im having problems with the National archives australia site and it wont let me in :rolleyes: Its having a go slow day and keeps timing out so i havent read their military records yet.

Still looking for passenger lists tho :biggrin:
 

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Theres a part of me wondering if mum and dad were hoping that a new life in Australia would help keep the sons safe with WW1 looming......they obviously did there bit but it seems they came through unscathed:biggrin:

Maybe way off the mark but just a thought.
 

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Darn it......bleedin sad that.

Note that Mum and Dad had moved up to Liverpool(West Derby) by then.


No Doubt Fred and all his siblings were very proud of him.
 

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Thank you to everyone on FHUK for the valuable information posted on my request. I am very impressed as always at your researching skills and quick postings. I now have a lot of information to search on, including the websites posted. Perhaps they did enlist in the UK for the AIF. A big adventure for two nice looking guys. Thanks everyone:rolleyes:
 
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is this Angelo's voyage


Name: Mr A GAY

Date of departure:19 January 1912

Port of departure: London

Passenger destination port: Fremantle, Australia

Passenger destination: Fremantle, Australia

Date of Birth:

Age:

Marital status: Singlle


Ship: ORVIETO

Official Number: 129628

Master's name: W S Shelford

Steamship Line: Orient

Where bound: Australia

Square feet: 14466

Registered tonnage: 7421

Passengers on voyage: 1011

1 of 13 mixed passengers with contract tickets out of a total of 675 passengers and 170 crew
voyage to take 43 days starting 19/1/1912
 

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Service record asks about previous service and if no longer serving the reason. Therefore served 6 months and discharged to emigrate.

The oath was taken at Keswick, South Australia 25 Jun 1915.
 
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oaths vary according to when enlisting

First World War - 26th June 1916

Oath to be taken by person being enlisted*

*a person enlisting who objects to taking an oath may make an affirmation in accordance with the Third Schedule of the Act, and the above form must be amended accordingly. All amendments must be initiated by the Attesting Officer.

I ..... swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lord the King in the Australian Imperial Force from ..... until the end of the War, and a further period of four months thereafter unless sooner lawfully discharged, dismissed, or removed therefrom; and that I will resist His Majesty's enemies and cause His Majesty's peace to be kept and maintained; and that I will in all matters appertaining to my service, faithfully discharge my duty according to law.

So help me God.
 
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