family history

[northeastsurfing]

Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone would know of a site I could find out some family history. My grandfathers, father and his brother came over from Landcashire, in 1900. We have our entire family tree in place up until there farther james Lees, and his wife, but we have not dates of birth or death. You can look at our family tree here, www.ronaldlees.com, I would like to find out who James Lees was and his parents names, I found a website with lots of different Lees from Landcashire area, but this is where most Lees came from. There were some james, but the only way to tell if it is the same James related to me, was who he married and his kids. But the info was only taken when we was around 20 years old on the 1881 cencors. I am guessing james was born around 1850's. Thanks Ronnie Lees.

sorry about spelling, I am in a hurry at this moment.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi,

Would this your ancestors on the 1920 USA census

Northfield, Merrimack, New Hampshire.

John L Lees born abt 1878 England ( Emirgration year 1904)
Georgina Lees born abt 1881 England
children

George E Lees born England
Mary A Lees born England
Helen F Lees
Arthur T Lees
Lillian Lees
Samuel V Lees
Jessie N Lees
Ruth E Lees

 

[juliejtp]

A possible marriage for John Lees. Year 1901 December 1/4 district Aston Under Lyne, vol 8d page 877, county Cheshire/Lancashire, there is Georgina Perry Listed.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi,

Ancestry have the census and bmds indexes plus more. The 1881 census and the partial bmd index is free to view.

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/Default.aspx


Findmypast is a pay per view site.


http://www.findmypast.com/welcome.jsp

Genuki is another good site regarding what info is available.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/

The online parish clerk Lancashie have some transcribed parish records, this is ongoing.

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

 

[northeastsurfing]

Thanks for the information, any info is great. I am also going to look into the links you posted. Ronnie Lees.

 

[duckweed]

I looked up the John Lees who married in Ashton under Lyme. He as born in Ashton under Lyme in 1878 census 1881 Class RG11; Piece:4035; Folio: 25; Page: 47; Line: ;GSU roll: 1341964
Head James Lee born 1836 Ashton Cotton operative
Wife Ann Lees born 1851 Manchester housekeeper
Daughter Mary born 1870 Ashton
Daughter Alice born 1875 Ashton
Son Sidney born 1876 Ashton
Son John born 1878 Ashton
Son Lewis born 1880/81 Ashton

Father John Lees born 1802 Ashton occupation cotton operative
address 4 Oxford Street Ashton under Lyme

Does this fit? Because if it does I could look at some earlier census records.

 

[northeastsurfing]

Thanks for the information. Yet, the information I got was JAMES Lees wife was named Mary grimes. They had five children, two of the sons names were John, and Arthur. You have the right John, Northfield, Merrimack, New Hampshire. John L Lees born abt 1878 England ( Emirgration year 1904)
Georgina Lees born abt 1881 England children -

some of this info is not what I was given but very close, maybe your info is right. Check mine if you can, http://www.northeastsurfing.com/ronaldlees/tree.html

George E Lees born England
Mary A Lees born England
Helen F Lees - I have Ellen F Lees
Arthur T Lees
Lillian Lees
Samuel V Lees
Jessie N Lees ?
Ruth E Lees

 

[duckweed]

We are in the right neck of the woods because James Lees married Mary Alice in 1872 in Ashton. I have their son Arthur as born 1874 though. John Joseph Lees right dates and born again in Ashton. Haven't been able to find exact match yet. The Lees family name seems to be mainly the Manchester area. In Ashton under Lyne there are an awful lot of James Lees. Have you any ideas of occupation. Any family legends that might help us narrow it down?

 

[northeastsurfing]

Thanks again, I am hoping to visit John Lees grave in Tilton NH, I am trying to locate it now. I am hoping it reads some info I can use. Long shot. Now was the marrage records have mary alice grimes?

Again keep in mind, I am not sure how the information I have was found. So if your looking at something good, documents, etc, I want to go with that. You are being so helpful, thanks again. If you have time post what you have again, your right there are lots of James Lees. Not sure what he did, I am hoping to match the person he married, and the kids. Ronnie Lees.

 

[duckweed]

A little help from my friends on the BBC Family Tree site. I think we have the right family here but the mothers name has been wrongly transcribed as Mary Ann. This is 1891 census. Ashton, district Hartshead
Annie Lees 18
Arthur Lees 16
Edward Lees 20
Ellen Lees 10
Florence Lees 8
Harold Lees 5
James Lees 40
James Lees 11
John Lees 14
Mary Alice Lees 13
Mary Ann Lees 39
Thomas A Lees 4
We will keep on looking.

 

[duckweed]

Had wrong Mary. Mary Ann Grimes married James Lees in 1869 in Ashton. She was born in Liverpool in 1849. Census 1891 has James born in Liverpool but in 1871 has him born in Stalybridge. The best match I have is James Lees born in West Derby which is Liverpool Dec 1847. The best match I get for Mary Ann Grimes in the BMD is Sept 1850 in Chorlton Manchester or March 1846 Salford so we still have the problem that neither are Liverpool. James and Mary Ann with first son Edward a few months old. Anyway I'm not sure if this is all correct but may give you something to go on. Mary's father was probably called Edward.

 

[duckweed]

Back again from my friends in the BBC Family Tree site. We think this is your family in 1881.
Ashton under Lynne Hartshead district Aspley House
Head Mary Foggarty 63 Ireland (appears to be down as Mary's mother)
Alice Lees 3
Author Lees 6 (not very good spellers the ennumreators)
Edward Lees 10 Cotton Piecer
Ellen Lees
Emma Lees 8
James Lees Blowing Room Hand (put born Mossley which is near Ashton) 31
James Lees 1
Joshua Lees 4 (Another misspelling) or perhaps the family called him Josh.
Mary Ann Lees 28 Daughter born Liverpool
Try looking at this site to see the Cotton Industry in Manchester and area
www.manchester2002-uk.com/history/victorian/mills.html

 

[duckweed]

Found another site that is interesting too.
www.ashton-under-lyne.com

 

[northeastsurfing]

You guys are great, I am recording all this info. Trying to take it all in and not be confused. So is the post you posted the first time today with the list of the family the right family, and these few other post are more information? Or should I void the first post. Ron

 

[northeastsurfing]

This you posted has John in it as well.

A little help from my friends on the BBC Family Tree site. I think we have the right family here but the mothers name has been wrongly transcribed as Mary Ann. This is 1891 census. Ashton, district Hartshead
Annie Lees 18
Arthur Lees 16
Edward Lees 20
Ellen Lees 10
Florence Lees 8
Harold Lees 5
James Lees 40
James Lees 11
John Lees 14
Mary Alice Lees 13
Mary Ann Lees 39
Thomas A Lees 4
We will keep on looking.

 

[northeastsurfing]

So is what your saying this was my family in 1991? (above) it seams that the at least the two names I have match the dates of birth and ages in 1891. I just did not understand the 1881 names you have are not the same for the most part. Like Josh, and no John for example.

(<Had wrong Mary. Mary Ann Grimes married James Lees in 1869 in Ashton.>) In the 1881 posting above? Ronnie Lees.

 

[duckweed]

Right I did get muddled as there are a lot of James Lees about. As I see it
Mary Ann Grimes married James Lees in Ashton under Lynne in 1869. Mary was born in Liverpool in Sept or March 1851. Her mother was Irish and probably father too. James was from Ashton. In 1871 they are found in Ashton with their first son Edward. In 1881 Marys mother is with them in Aspley House, she has obviously remarried hence the different surname. The ennumerator has probably misheard the family when he was putting all the families details down and called John Josh. (This was not an uncommon happening it has happened a number of times in my family history, as have the wrong age and the wrong birthplace) In 1861 James is with his parents in Ashton his family are as follows
Father John aged 39 Coal Miner born Ashton
Mother Hannah also 39 birthplace given as Hurst Lancashire (but still in same area)
The rest of the family areas follows
Sarah Ann 12 Cotton Weaver
James 10 Scholar
Mary 8 Scholar
Eliza 6 Scholar
Alice 4
Betty 1

Back in the 1841 census this is the best match I can get for John Lees the father
Head Thomas Lees 48 Carter born Ashton
Wife Jane 50 born Ashton
John 19 Coal Miner born Ashton
William 14 Coal Miner born Ashton
Jane 11 born Ashton
Harriet 8 born Ashton
also put as boarder John William Lees 28 Coal Miner born Ashton (there is some uncertainty as to whether this is also a son)

Can't find a match for Mary Ann Grimes in 1861
I've tried some parish records for the older Lees but haven't made any matches. Suggest you try asking around to see if anyone lives nearby and can look up the parish records for you or at least they may find a copy in the Manchester Archives. I live in Yorkshire I'm afraid so I'm not near enough. Try family search and see if anyone else has been researching any of the family. The Latter Day Saints site is not always accurate but can be useful. Anyone born married or died after 1837 should be in the records. Anyone before then it has to be Parish records. If they were Baptists Methodists or some other nonconformist it can be difficult as obviously they won't be in the parish records. Misspellings of surnames are frequent so it can be difficult sometimes finding them. Good Luck

 

[duckweed]

I saw this while googling around and wondered if the John Lees mentioned was also a relative? www.carlscam.com/dukinfield/astley pit.htm

 

[northeastsurfing]

Thanks, I contacted my uncle and waiting to hear back to see how he got the info, but it seams the info you gave me would make sense, and you know what your talking about for sure. So over all it seams like your last post above is my family for sure? Also you said Can't find a match for Mary Ann Grimes in 1861? Does this mean you can not find her at all, except she married a james Lees in 1869?

So this is James Lees - farther and his family correct?
Father John aged 39 Coal Miner born Ashton
Mother Hannah also 39 birthplace given as Hurst Lancashire (but still in same area)
The rest of the family areas follows
Sarah Ann 12 Cotton Weaver
James 10 Scholar (james Lees in my family tree?)
Mary 8 Scholar
Eliza 6 Scholar
Alice 4
Betty 1

The this is James Lees his wife and kids??
Annie Lees 18
Arthur Lees 16
Edward Lees 20
Ellen Lees 10
Florence Lees 8
Harold Lees 5
James Lees 40 (in my family tree)
James Lees 11
John Lees 14
Mary Alice Lees 13
Mary Ann Lees 39 (grimes?)
Thomas A Lees 4

This would be James Lees grandfather and family correct??
Back in the 1841 census this is the best match I can get for John Lees the father
Head Thomas Lees 48 Carter born Ashton
Wife Jane 50 born Ashton
John 19 Coal Miner born Ashton (james Lees farther in my family tree)
William 14 Coal Miner born Ashton
Jane 11 born Ashton
Harriet 8 born Ashton
also put as boarder John William Lees 28 Coal Miner born Ashton (there is some uncertainty as to whether this is also a son)


I mean it seams that for the most part this would be my family, the births match, and years, etc. Is there ways to find out how people came to america, and when, who came with them, and if they list any information?
Thanks Ronnie Lees,

 

[duckweed]

There are shipping lists. www.theshipslist.com You could try there. Ellis island has a website which lists people who landed there. I would think they would most likely leave from Liverpool. You've probably got an idea which American port they landed at. Someone who is on Ancestry or some such search site may be able to do a search for you but I don't have access to them only British origins. Ancestry offers free search weekends from time to time. If you see that advertised you could log on for 3 days searching. I've used up all my freebees with them but I can reccommend it as it costs you nothing.