FARMER & EVANS families

[DaveHam9]

Births Jun Qtr 1840 FARMER Emma - Birmingham 16 277 mms EVANS

Why is she not with family in 1841 census ?

1841
HO107 Piece/Book 1140/3 Folio 36 Page 19
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Hundred: Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-RD: Ladywood
ED: 10
Address: Garbett St
Edward Farmer 20 Engineer Y
Jemima 25 N

Baptisms solemnized in Parish of St Lawrence Sydney 1842
No. 121
Baptised 24 July 1842 Born 15 May 1840
Emma - Edward & Jemima Farmer - Parramatta Street - Engineer
By W. H. Walsh

Arrived in Australia before 24 Jul 1842 ??

 

[gibbo]

I can't find Emma in 1841 neither, still can't find a arrival for them. I would assume it was unassisted with him been a Engineer.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Very curious re Emma.

I think not a marine engineer but not sure why it says engineer as he was a brass finisher.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tue 30 Jun 1857 p.8
FUNERALS
The friends of the deceased Mr. EDWARD FARMER, Brass Finisher, are invited to attend his funeral, to move from his late residence, Margaret-lane, Campbell-street, TO-MORROW (Wednesday) AFTERNOON, at three o'clock.
JAMES CURTIS, undertaker, Hunter-street.

Page 98
Burials in the Parish of Camperdown in the County of Cumberland in the year 1857
Edward Farmer Abode: - When Died: June 29 When Buried: July 1 Age: 37 years Ship's Name: - Quality or Profession: Labourer By whom the Ceremony was performed: Charles Kemp

 

[gibbo]

OH i remember this one, we've been over this one a few times?

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes.

Back to 'F' in my tree and I noticed still no arrival.

Page 212
Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Philip Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1850
No. - When Baptised: 19 May 1850 When Born: 8th January 1850 Eleanor daughter of Edward & Jemima Farmer Abode: Kent Street Quality or Profession: Brass-founder By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Cowper

 

[gibbo]

I will have another look in the morning, some passenger lists havent survived so maybe theirs is one of them??

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I've checked the four children and I'm only missing the arrival between June 1841 and July 1842.

One of several examples in my tree of a birth in England and a baptism in NSW.

 

[horse]

I think not a marine engineer but not sure why it says engineer as he was a brass finisher.

His marriage has him as a Lathe grinder..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

2x Isaac and similar occupations so can't chose one over the other as the witness.

1841
HO107 1149/1 28 12
Hamlet of Duddeston & Nechells
Isaac Farmer 39 Metal Roller N or Y ??
and family

1841
HO107 1150/4 52 19
Hamlet of Erdington
...
Isaac Farmer 25 Wire Drawer Y

Dave

 

[horse]

2x Isaac and similar occupations so can't chose one over the other as the witness.

1841
HO107 1149/1 28 12
Hamlet of Duddeston & Nechells
Isaac Farmer 39 Metal Roller N or Y ??
and family

1841
HO107 1150/4 52 19
Hamlet of Erdington
...
Isaac Farmer 25 Wire Drawer Y

A couple of minor points, the Isaac as a witness couldn't write.

Edward and Jemima lived at Aston Road, Duddeston.

On the down side, Erdington fairly close to Duddeston.

Geoff

 

[horse]

There are a few trees and none able to point to an arrival?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I have no baptism for Edward.

Dave

 

[horse]

A couple of trees have William b. 1795 as father, one has mother as Susanna Coleman.

There is this given a dau. Eleanor b. 1850..

Edward Farmer
Birth Date: 6 May 1821
Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1821
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire
Father: John Thomas Farmer
Mother: Eleanor Farmer

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

That's the only baptism I can find but marriage has father as William, a clerk in warehouse.

Dave

 

[horse]

That's the only baptism I can find but marriage has father as William, a clerk in warehouse.

Yep, I suspect that's where the trees get it from also. Not sure where that one tree gets Susanna Coleman from?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

2nd daughter. Someone thinks they came from Scotland

Bap V1846154 31A/1846 FARMER SUSANNA - EDWARD - JEMIMA

 

[horse]

A couple or so trees have these as offspring.. Not checked any..

"Emma Farmer
1840–1876

Susanah Farmer
1846–1882

Sarah Ann Farmer
1847–1892

Eleanor Helena Ellen Farmer
1850–1898"

Geoff

 

[horse]

Going for a while, Dave..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Yes, 4 daughters. The dates are correct.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Back to this one.

NSW Burial V18576042 122A/1857 FARMER EDWARD * 29 Jun 1857

No baptism found and no parents on shipping records or on burial record. Marriage has father as William, a clerk in a warehouse.

"A couple of trees have William b. 1795 as father and one has mother as Susanna Coleman."

Jemima EVAN's parents probably Thomas & Sarah.

Jemima born in England but not in Warwickshire according to the census.

Daughter Emma not with parents in 1841.

Births Jun 1840 FARMER Emma - Birmingham 16 277 mmn EVANS * b. 15 May 1840

One researcher has told me Emma was NOT with her grandparents in 1841. I asked if it was the Farmer or Evans family that had been found in 1841 for that comment re Emma to be made and no reply.

So, it may be impossible to find the right Farmer or Evans family in 1841.