Father samuel byfield & son robert benjamin byfield

[Lorraine Katherine]

Please can I have some help locating (Robert) Benjamin Byfield and his father Samuel Byfield in the 1861 census. Thank you.

The family are found in the 1871 census living in Bow, Poplar, St Stephen, London:
Samuel Byfield - Father Age 45 (who is a tailor)
Sarah Byfield - Mother Age 39
Benjamin Byfield - Son Age 13
Alfred Byfield - Son Age 11
Richard Byfield - Son Age 9
Frederick Byfield - Son Age 4
ED 53, Schedule 66, Piece 578, Folio 71, Page 15

We were trying to find Robert Benjamin Byfield, to try to find out more about his father Samuel Byfield.

When Samuel marries in 1850 he is a cellar man.
When Samuel is found in the 1851 census he is a dock worker.
When Samuel's child is baptised in 1853 he is a wine porter.

We were intrigued to know what his occupation was going to be in the 1861 census!

We find Samuel again in the 1871 census working as a tailor (like his father Robert Byfield).

We were hoping to find Samuel in the 1841 working as a tailor (or similar profession) - but again no luck! The only Samuel Byfields we have found are:

A criminal in the 1840 Criminal Register waiting to be transported in Sussex (but have found other family members now from this family in Sussex and is not our family)

A carpenter in the 1841 census living in the general penitentiary in the civil parish of St John, Westminster, such a change in occupation and would his parents leave him in the workhouse.

Thank you for your help and advice!

 

[horse]

Hi

Just trying to get a grasp of Samuel, s. of Robert E, there is something not quite right

When he married Sarah in 1850 she was a minor, yet in 1851 a year later, she was 2y older than Samuel aged 29y he was 27y. They also had a 4y old son in 1851, Samuel.

This could be his birth, the census says b. Shoreditch [also 2y out]:
Births Q3 1845
Byfield Samuel Robert
Shoreditch
2 395

Apologies if this just adds to the mystery; I would have expected the child to have been reg. in his mother's name. There are possibilities for Samuel being reg. in his mother's name.

If Samuel was 4 months old in the census it would account for it, but I can't see a reg. in 1850/51

Geoff

 

[horse]

Just wondering if this could be Samuel, though he stated he was a bachelor in 1850. Unless there are 2 Samuels'

Marriages Q4 1843
Byfield Samuel
ELMS Catherine
Hopkins Caroline Amelia Elizabeth
Roberts Mary Anne
Sibley Charlotte
Westminster
1 332

Still no sign of Robert Benjamin or father in 1861

Geoff

 

[davelambert271]

I think Sarah was 19 in 1851, which would tie in with her childrens ages and being 39 in 1871
Her children are on freebmd, but some have 2nd names
Henry Samuel, 1847 Shoreditch
Robert Benjamin sep 1857 St Lukes
Alfred Albert 1860 Islington
Richard 1862 Islington
Frederick 1867 POplar

Samuel married Sarah Willis in 1850 Shoreditch, his father Robert a Tailor
her father Benjamin, cabinet maker.

I have searched every which way for the family in 1861 and there are numerous trees on 'A' none of which have found them in 1861

dave

 

[horse]

Thanks, Dave.

Yeah 19y would be right, must be an error on the image in 1851.

Seen the 1847 Henry Samuel reg. now.. that makes sense.

Interesting that the Robert Benjamin and Alfred b. b. around 1860 in same area and not in census

Geoff

 

[Robesur]

I cannot see this family in 1861 either, using the different index and search facilities available from The Genealogist. I did however come across another oddity. You say that Samuel's father was Robert Byfield a Tailor, In 1841 there is a Tailor Journeyman, Robert Byefield at Worship Street Shoreditch age 50, living with an Eliza 50 and William 15, all born in County (London or Middlesex), as Samuel married in Shoreditch the assumption is that this is his family. In 1851, when Samuel, Sarah 29 and 4 year old son! are living at 32 Paradise Place, also living at 28 Paradise Place is a Robert Byfield, 61, Tailor with a wife Susan 50, Charwoman, Robert is shown as born Northampton. Again the assumption is that these are Samuel's family.

If the two Robert Byfield are the same person, ignoring the different places of birth, was Eliza and Susan the same person or did Robert, marry Susan after Eliza's death? If they are not the same then which one was Samuel's father. As relationships are not shown in 1841 it is possible that Susan was absent and Eliza was a sister or Sister in Law. In either case who was Samuel's mother?