Finding the (Scottish) parents of Jacob Schot/Scott 1699-1755, living in Holland

[Sanne]

Dear reader,

First of all, thank you for reading this message!

I am writing to you from Holland, but apparently we have some distant Scottish roots.
In the Netherlands I usually am able to find the resources I need for expanding our family tree, but for Scotland I just don’t know where to look.

The last person I have found, is Jacob Schot (1699-1755), married to Annetje Krabbendam (1699-1787). Jacob lived in Gorichem at the time of his marriage, but they got married in Schiedam in 1724.

Jacob and Annetje had (at least) nine children:
1. Kornelis, babt. 24 feb 1726 , witnesses: Dirck Krabbendam, Judik Krabbendam en Pieternelletje van der Velde
2. Wouter, babt. 25 dec. 1727, wit.: Dirck Krabbendam, Judith Krabbendam en Pieternelle Gijse
3. Judith, babt. 23 dec 1729, wit. : Judith Krabbendam, Dirk Krabbendam en Pieterss(?) van der Velde
Pieternella Gijse van der Velde was gehuwd met een broer van Anna Crabbendam.
4. Sophia, babt. 29 apr 1731, wit.: Dirck Krabbendam, Pieternelletje van der Velde en Ingetje Grijns
768/893
5. Aron, babt. 6 mrt. 1733, wit.: Dirck Krabbendam, Pieternelletje van der Velde en Artie (?) de Haag
008864934 848/893
6. Aron, babt. 22 sep 1734, wit.: .: Dirck Krabbendam, Pieternelletje van der Velde en Ingetie Griens
7. Anna, babt. 13 jun 1737, wit.: Dirk Krabbendam, Pieternelletie van der Velde en Ingetie Griens
8. Geertruij, babt. 15 aug 1738, wit.: Dirk Krabbendam, Pieternelletie van de Velden en Engeltje Griens
9. Dirk, babt. 21 okt 1739, wit..: Dirk Krabbendam, Pieternelletie van de Velde

The birth of these children has been checked by me in the church records of Schiedam (protestant).
The witnesses to these baptisms seem to be relatives of the mother, and variety is quite limited.
From this, one might conclude that the father was foreign, but even the mother doesn’t seem to have a large network.

Jacob Schot (Scot/Scott/Schott) 1699-1755 can be found on FamilySearch:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LH52-JTP

The parents that are listed for him do not seem correct though – as this couple got married in 1652 and Jacob (apparently) was born in 1699.
I was not able to find his birth in any church books.
If Jacob and Annetje followed the (Dutch) naming system – which they do seem to do – the parents of Jacob Scott should be Wouter/Walter and Sophie/Sophia.
I have seen quite a few church books by now, and the name Sophia is very rare in Holland in the 17th century, so it could very well be that she’s not Dutch.
Does anyone know how I could best proceed in finding the parents of Jacob Schot?

Kind regards, Sanne

PS: Schot means ‘Scotsman’ in Dutch

 

[solidrock2]

One site says "He was christened on February 7, 1699 in Gorinchem." Have you found this record ?
Also the parents listed seem to be the same as FamilySearch and his father born in Scotland, " He was born before 1675 in Hawick (Schotland)."
https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/stamboom-rutten/I1277.php

 

[Sanne]

Hello Solidrock2,

Thank you for taking the time to look into this..!

I am pretty sure 'Rutte' (https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/stamboom-rutten/I1277.php) has used the same FamilySearch page (see earlier link), as this family tree also lists Jacobus Schot (1752) as a child of Jacob (1699-1755). I have checked this, and Jacob 1752 is actually a child of their oldest son, so a grandchild to Jacob (1699-1755).

The birth date and place make searching much easier, but I did not find anything in Gorinchem on that date. I have tried the protestant (nederduits gereformeerd), catholic ánd old-catholic books, but nothing.
I am really curious where you found this date and birth place!
We have a really good genealogy forum in The Netherlands too, if this date is correct, someone might be able to find Jacob 1699.

Kind regards, Sanne

 

[Ellie7]

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[Sanne]

Hello Ellie,

Thanks for your help..!

But this is actually where I have been looking. Are there any Scottish resources like this?
The first place I would like to check births and marriages is in Hawick, but is this possible online?

Best regards, Sanne

 

[Ellie7]

Land tax rolls 1645-1831

https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/results?st=Hawick

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ROX/Hawick

The parish church (Church of Scotland) has registers dating from 1634. Old Parish Registers (before 1855) are held in the National Records of Scotland in Edinburgh, and copies on microfilm may be consulted in local libraries and in LDS Family History Centres around the world. Later parish registers (after 1855) are often held in the National Records of Scotland as are any records of non-conformist churches in the area (often unfilmed and unindexed, and only available there).

 

[Ellie7]

Established Church—Old Parochial Registers[edit | edit source]
Years CoveredFamily History Library Film NumberBirths:1634-1726 - indexed1067934 item 51723-1854 - indexed10679351836-1851 - neglected Births1067936 item 1Marriages:1699-1815 - indexed10679351821-1854 - indexed1067936 item 1Deaths:1758-182010679351819-18411067936 item 1

 

[Ellie7]

Some children were not Bapts in Scotland. My Mother was a Border Scott ,but born in Ayrshire .

 

[solidrock2]

Hello Solidrock2,

Thank you for taking the time to look into this..!

I am pretty sure 'Rutte' (https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/stamboom-rutten/I1277.php) has used the same FamilySearch page (see earlier link), as this family tree also lists Jacobus Schot (1752) as a child of Jacob (1699-1755). I have checked this, and Jacob 1752 is actually a child of their oldest son, so a grandchild to Jacob (1699-1755).

The birth date and place make searching much easier, but I did not find anything in Gorinchem on that date. I have tried the protestant (nederduits gereformeerd), catholic ánd old-catholic books, but nothing.
I am really curious where you found this date and birth place!
We have a really good genealogy forum in The Netherlands too, if this date is correct, someone might be able to find Jacob 1699.

Kind regards, Sanne

Personal data Jacobus (Jacob) Schot
Sources 1, 2, 3, 4

• He was born in the year 1699 in Gorinchem.
• He was christened on February 7, 1699 in Gorinchem.
• He died on January 23, 1755 in Schiedam, he was 56 years old.

https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/stamboom-rutten/I1277.php

You could try here, it covers Hawick.
https://www.familytreeresources.com/borders-family-history-society.html
https://www.liveborders.org.uk/culture/archives/family-history/
http://www.bordersfhs.org.uk/

 

[Ellie7]

There is no Bapts in Hawick coming up in Scotlands People at that time ,but

Old Roads of Scotland
http://www.oldroadsofscotland.com › ...

Roads in the 1600's: The Maps of Timothy Pont ... The distance given between Hawick and Jedburgh is 8 miles (28 + 8 = 36 miles) which suggests the Annan to .

His Parents could have come from Jedburgh

County maps of Roxburghshire, 1600s-1960s - Map images ...
https://maps.nls.uk › counties › roxburghshire

 

[Ellie7]

May be handy ?
Scots often named children by following a simple set of rules:

• 1st son named after father's father.
• 2nd son named after mother's father.
• 3rd son named after father.
• 1st daughter named after mother's mother.
• 2nd daughter named after father's mother.
• 3rd daughter named after mother.