Florence Kreeft

[horse]

Hi

Can any anyone determine the the correct husband for Florence, sometimes known as Annette Florence.

Parents: Andreas and Mary Ann
b. Q4 1879 Hull, Yorkshire

Florence Annetta M Kreeft
Q2 1908
RD: Wortley
Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c, Page: 612
Name
John Thomas Abell
Edith Dyson
Florence Annetta M Kreeft
Fred Matthews

Many thanks
Geoff

 

[gibbo]

I cant find anything Geoff.

Have you tried the 1911 census with her christian names and Abell then Matthews as a surname?

 

[davelambert271]

Hi Geoff

only thing I can find which may have a bearing is perhaps a discount of the other couple, due to children born


Births Jun 1912
Matthews Nellie Dyson Penistone 9c 669

Births Dec 1918
Matthews Eric Dyson Keighley 9a 207

dave

 

[horse]

Have you tried the 1911 census with her christian names and Abell then Matthews as a surname?

Thanks, gibbo.. Yeah I tried that without success

Geoff

 

[horse]

Hi Geoff

only thing I can find which may have a bearing is perhaps a discount of the other couple, due to children born


Births Jun 1912
Matthews Nellie Dyson Penistone 9c 669

Births Dec 1918
Matthews Eric Dyson Keighley 9a 207

dave

Thanks, Dave. That's an interesting approach. I'll have a look at that, assuming neither parent died before 1912, should be able to pick up Kreeft if they had offspring.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Searching using mother's surname 1912-1920 gives these...

Births Q1 1916
Verbestel Marcelline
Kreeft
Aston
6d 798a

Births Q3 1917
Verbestel Madeleine
Kreeft
Chester-le-S.
10a 977

Maybe the 1908 marriage is not the right one, but I can't see another Florence Annetta Kreeft or any deaths in that period

Geoff

 

[horse]

No obvious births using Abell/Abel/Able and mother's maiden of Kreeft or similar from 1912-1920

 

[davelambert271]

found this one which adds a little more to my last post. Clayton West is around Pennistone/Wortley area

1911
Fred Matthews Head Married Male 28 1883 Warehouse Man Yorks Clayton West

Edith Matthews Wife Married Female 34 1877 Twister Yorks Denley (could be Denby - same area)

married 2 years no children

 

[horse]

Thanks, Dave.

So that definitely takes Fred Matthews out...

I must have overlooked that one when checking the censuses for Matthews/Abell

Geoff

 

[Bootzy]

Hi Geoff,

Florence Kreef on 1901 age 21 is a boarder at Charles W Reynolds home, a Music pianist at 85 Nunnery Lane, Micklegate, York, Yorkshire.

There is a John ABEL on 1911 census which shows him a motor mechanic at Glass manufacturer b Not known age 30 with a Annetta Abel wife age 30 married 2 years, she's down as born Ambaston Holland, Annetta signed the form - 14 Bank St, St Helens Lancashire Reg District Prescot, District no: 456. St Helens ED 26 Piece: 22780.

I wonder... England & Wales National Probate Calender Index of Wills etc - John Thomas Abell of the Waggon and Horses, Ockford Road, Goldalming Surrey, died 14 Sept 1929. Probate London 6 March to Florence Annie Abell Widow. Effects 181pounds 12s & 3d.

regards
Val

 

[horse]

Hi Val

Many thanks for looking.

I'd found Florence in 1901 whilst looking for her parents [in another thread], but then couldn't find her until I saw the 1908 marriage.

I'm not sure about the 1911 being my Florence, as she was b. Hull, Yorkshire. Her father was Dutch, however.

Just the POB that let's it down...

Geoff

 

[horse]

I suppose we've got to question if that was the correct marriage, unless there is another John Abell/Abel in 1911

Geoff

 

[horse]

There is a John ABEL on 1911 census which shows him a motor mechanic at Glass manufacturer b Not known age 30 with a Annetta Abel wife age 30 married 2 years, she's down as born Ambaston Holland, Annetta signed the form - 14 Bank St, St Helens Lancashire Reg District Prescot, District no: 456. St Helens ED 26 Piece: 22780.

regards
Val

I still can't discount this census...

Interesting point about Annetta signing the form, looks to be a different person filling out the form though. Annetta signs Abell with 2 L's, the form is completed using one L for both her and John

Point being, a lot of scope for error if her writing skills were poor.

Further scrutiny of the birth place on the form looks like Amsterdam and not Ambaston, possible that John was b. Amsterdam and it was written in the wrong cell..

 

[horse]

I've found the correct birth now..

Even though she is known as Florence in the censuses she is Annetta Florence in the birth reg...

Births Q4 1879
Kreeft Annette Florence
Hull
9d 254

Geoff

 

[horse]

I wonder... England & Wales National Probate Calender Index of Wills etc - John Thomas Abell of the Waggon and Horses, Ockford Road, Goldalming Surrey, died 14 Sept 1929. Probate London 6 March to Florence Annie Abell Widow. Effects 181pounds 12s & 3d.

regards
Val

This death can be discounted, Val... he was 63y.

Geoff

 

[horse]

This fits for Annetta's death [age]..

Deaths Q3 1945
Abell Annetta
65
Goole
9c 707

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Looking for other marriages:

Marriages Jun 1908
ABEL John Harold Camberwell 1d 1450
BAKER Christopher Camberwell 1d 1450
CHESTER Florrie Beatrice Camberwell 1d 1450
HEATH Winifred Annie Camberwell 1d 1450

Marriages Dec 1909
ABEL John Worcester 6c 435
KEATLEY Frances Celina Worcester 6c 435
SPICER Alfred William Worcester 6c 435
WILSON Annie Maria Worcester 6c 435

 

[horse]

Thanks, Dave...

Val's 1911 find is most likely at present, which means the 1908 marriage is probably good...

She looks to be in York in 1901 (pianist), no indication of employment in 1911 to cross-reference, sadly. She appears to be the only child moving away from Hull, no other obvious marriage or death in the Hull area.

Geoff