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Francis Stewart BRIGGS

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Hello,

Francis Stewart BRIGGS b. 18 Sep 1897 Calcutta, India ? d. 21 Jul 1966 NSW

33114/1966 BRIGGS FRANCIS STEWART - GEORGE HOWARD - ELIZA - CAMPSIE

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Looking for more info on Francis and his parents. Thanks.

Elizabeth Sophia ROSS.

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Hi Dave


SMH Friday, July 22, 1966 - DEATHS
BRIGGS Francis Stewart – July 21, 1966,
at hospital, late of 34 Melford Street,
Hurlstone Park, husband of Miriam,
Father of Jill, Patricia and Stewart,
aged 68 years.


MARRIAGE
12366/1926 BRIGGS FRANCIS S CARTER MIRIAM HAY


1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Darling - Hay
BRIGGS Francis Stewart, Church Street, Hay, aviator

1949 N.S.W Electoral Roll – MacKellar – Manly
BRIGGS Francis Stewart 7 Marine parade, storekeeper
BRIGGS Miriam 7 Marine parade, homes duties

1954 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parkes – Campsie
BRIGGS Frances Patricia 34 Fore street, Canterbury, nurse
BRIGGS Francis Stewart 34 Fore street, Canterbury, storekeeper
BRIGGS Miriam 34 Fore street, Canterbury, homes duties

1958 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parkes – Campsie
BRIGGS Francis Stewart 34 Fore street, Canterbury, storekeeper
BRIGGS Miriam 34 Fore street, Canterbury, homes duties

1963 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Parkes – Hurlstone Park
BRIGGS Francis Stewart 34 Melford street, no occupation
BRIGGS Miriam 34 Melford street, home duties


Digger - South Australian Deaths, Registrations 1916 to 1972
Surname: BRIGGS
Given Names: Eliza
Date: 1918-02-01
***: F
Age: 60y
Status: W
Relative: George BRIGGS [DH]
Relative 2:
Residence: Prospect
Death Place: Adelaide
District Code: Ade
Symbol: H
Book: 416
Page: 221
Cross Reference:

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Thanks cp.

Seems Eliza is Elizabeth Sophia ROSS and they married in India. Can we get any closer to the actual marriage date?

Record details
Name: George Howard Briggs
Event type: Marriage
Start date:
Start year: 1881 - 1885
End date:
End year:
Location:
Spouse: Elizabeth Sophia Ross
Age:
Status:
Parents:
Notes:
Transcribed by: FIBIS
India Office Records Reference:
Z/N/11/6/f. 335
Source name: Registry Office Marriage Index
Source year: 1881 - 1885
Source edition:
Presidency:

Record details
Name: George Howard BRIGGS
Event type: Death
Date: 05 Jun
Year: 1897
Location: Allahabad
Age:
Status: Cdctr, Bengal Ordnance Dept
Will administration:
Notes:
Transcribed by: British Library
India Office Records Reference:
Source name: Unspecified
Source year:
Source edition:
Presidency:

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I can't find a death for Miriam.

Birth 26618/1906 CARTER MIRIAM - HENRY S - EMILY M - NARRANDERA


Elizabeth Sophia ROSS born abt 1858.

Now I wonder where George was born.

cdctr = Conductor - Bengal Ordnance Dept.

Conductor
The higher of the two appointments within the Warrant Officer rank in the EIC/Indian Army, the lower being that of Sub-Conductor . Conductors and Sub Conductors worked mainly in the Ordnance, Commissariat and Public Works Departments. Conductors were eligible for promotion to the higher grade of Departmental Officer.
So he was in either the East India Company's Civil Service or the Army.
 
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Hi Dave

census
Civil parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street Address: 8 The Terrace Jersey Ci
Registration district: Jersey
Registration District Number: 637
Sub-registration district: St Heier
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 34892
BRIGGS Eliza head widow 1857 trained nurse 54 London, England
BRIGGS Francis Stewart 1898 13 school Calcutta, India


shipping
Name: Eliza BRIGGS
Date of departure: 29 March 1912
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Adelaide, Australia
Passenger destination: Adelaide, Australia
Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status: Single
***: Female
Occupation: Nurse
Passenger recorded on: Page 4 of 22
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Francis S BRIGGS Page 4 of 22 Clerk
Ship: OMRAH
Official Number: 108782
Master's name: P N Layton
Steamship Line: Orient
Where bound: Australia
Square feet: 8886
Registered tonnage: 4419
Passengers on voyage: 542


1937 QLD Electoral Rolls – Griffith – Coorparoo
BRIGGS Francis Stewart, cnr Rose and Waterton sts, Annerley, representative
BRIGGS Miriam, cnr Rose and Waterton sts, Annerley, homr duties

1943 QLD Electoral Rolls – Moreton – Mount Gravatt
BRIGGS Francis Stewart, Cavan and Tiverton sts, Annerley, aviation officer
BRIGGS Miriam, Cavan and Tiverton sts, Annerley, home duties

1968 N.S.W Electoral Rolls – Parkes – Hurlstone Park
BRIGGS Miriam, 34 Melford street, home duties

(no Miriam in 1980 N.S.W, one in 1980 QLD Surfers Pardise)


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SMH Thursday, May 22, 1958
One of the earliest pioneers of civil aviation in Australia now runs a grocery at Canterbury.
He is Captain F. S. Briggs, who flew the first official air mails into and out of Sydney, Melbourne, and Adelaide.
That was in 1921.
He was also the first man to fly a passenger service into the interior.
And he would have flown a single-engined plane from here to New Zealand in 1921 – seven years before
Smithy and Ulm did it – bur for the pleading of the late Col. Brinsmead, our first Controller of Civil Aviation.
Brinsmead pointed out that if the flight ended in disaster, untold harm would be done to aviation.
Before that, Briggs flew delegates from Britain to the Versailles peace conference and carried the original
draft of the peace treaty to Versailles.
But the rewards of the pioneer are meagre – in Captain Briggs’ case, a grocer’s shop.


Two engagements
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Saturday 5 March 1949 p 38 Family Notices
he Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Tuesday 12 December 1950 p 24 Family Notices

Patricia = Frances Patricia
Jill = Miriam Jill
Stewart = ? might be Howard Stewart

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Hello cp,

Thank you very much. That fills in a bit more of the story.

So we have Eliza born abt 1858 London.

Births Sep 1857
Ross Eliza Lambeth 1d 312

Births Mar 1859
ROSS Elizabeth E London 1c 37

Births Sep 1859
ROSS Eliza Strand 1b 445

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Dear Dave,

I'm not sure if this old thread is still worth posting to -- but it seems there is some incorrect info regarding Francis Stewart Briggs.

Some of the confusion seems to come from the names of the two wives of George Howard BRIGGS. His first wife was born Elizabeth Eleanor Sophia ROSS in Umballa, India on 5 Feb 1857 (Baptised 24 Feb 1857) to James & Elizabeth ROSSs (James is listed on the baptism record as being the Late Agent to Upper India Commercial Association). She married George Howard BRIGGS on 13 Sep 1883 in Ferozenpore, Punjab, India, but unfortunately died in Rawal Pindi on 26 Dec 1888. I know they had two daughters - Mary Ellen (or Eleanor) BRIGGS born 21 Nov 1886 (my great grandmother) and Ruth Dorwood BRIGGS who died on 29 Jun 1891 and was probably born in 1888 (which raises the question of whether her mother died in childbirth or later complications).

George later married Eliza O'Hare (nee Eldridge) on 30 Apr 1895 in Calcutta, India (who was the widow of Francis O'Hare - a tailor with the army who died on 21 Mar 1892 at Fort William, Bengal, India). It doesn't seem that Eliza and Francis had any children after they married on 13 May 1883 in Battersea, England -- but Eliza was obviously pregnant when George Howard BRIGGS died in Allahabad, West Bengal, India of fever on 5 Jun 1897. Francis Stewart BRIGGS was then born on 18 Sep 1897 in Calcutta, India (three months after his father's death).

So Elizabeth and Eliza were the two wives of George (and are not the same person), and so my great-grandmother Mary Ellen was the half brother of Francis Stewart BRIGGS.

I don't know if you have any other info on George or any others of the family -- but let me know if you do.

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Hello Brenton and welcome to the Forum.


Thank you very much for the information. I will make the necessary corrections to my tree. It's not one of my direct lines - Wriede to Gribble to Treloar to Carter.

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Hello Stephen,

I am not able to up to 1911.

I also can't confirm all the information Brenton posted. Some of it conflicts with what I have.

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I'm just starting a Wikipedia article on Frank. I'm expecting it will take weeks to flesh it out. In the meantime if you have any questions please let me have them and I'll try and get answers from his son, Howard Stewart Briggs, known as Stewart.

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John
 

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Thanks John.

I'll check my tree and post any queries I have.

Birth 26618/1906 CARTER MIRIAM - HENRY S - EMILY M - NARRANDERA

A date of birth and date of death for Miriam would be good to add to my tree, thanks.

That's a high reg # so birth might be in late 1905.

Also the date in 1925 or 1926 of their marriage in Hay.

As, I've mentioned my remote connection is via Thomas Treloar & Jane Gribble.

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Dear Dave and Aussie John,

I would love to make contact with you to try and confirm some of the info I've found -- but also some recently located info that seems very strange.
As I mentioned my ancestor is the daughter of George Howard Briggs by his first wife (Mary Eleanor Briggs). But some further document searches have located the Punjab Military Command pension records that include some weird information. Just after George Howard Briggs' death and before Francis Stewart Briggs' birth there are records showing the pension was paid to his widow, Eliza Briggs, and two of his two children -- my great-grandmother, Mary Eleanor Briggs (DOB listed as 21.11.86), and a son, George Howard Briggs (DOB listed as 13.1.93). But how can this be? This DOB is after the death of Elizabeth Eleanor Sophia Ross on 13 Sep 1883 and before George's marriage to Eliza Eldridge on 30 Apr 1895. It is also 10 months after the death of Francis O'Hare on 21 Mar 1892. If he really is the son of George Snr., who was the mother? There is also a note on this record "The father of the children had Imperial Service out of India."
Another page from the Punjab Military Command pension records for the quarter ended 31 December 1900 has an entry for a George Howard Briggs (DOB 13.1.93) son of G.H Briggs stating "Name changed to C.H.C. Parfitt having been adopted by ..... (unclear).... Asst. Commy.(?) C. Parfitt. Order Departed" then on the right hand column a note "The child proceeded to England with Honorary Lieft.(?) Parfitt. The allowance was drawn here up to February 99. Cond. Briggs had Imperial Service out of India. (A) Omitted to be shown in previous statement."
I have found an entry in the UK 1901 census for Ipswich showing a household with a William C. Parfitt as head and Eliza Parfitt as wife and a George H. C. Parfitt as "adopted son" aged 8 and birth place listed as "East India, Calcutta". Other records show that this George H. Parfitt died in Q4 1970 in Yarmouth, Norfolk, England.
Does anyone have any other info on this George Howard Briggs Jr (who then became a Parfitt)?
Unfortunately my mother passed away two months ago so I can't ask here if this Parfitt family was known to anyone in that side of the family -- but I suspect that no-one ever mentioned this other half-brother to my great-grandmother and half-brother to Francis Stewart Briggs. Was there something unorthodox about the birth that could explain this later adoption?
I can send you a copy of the above Punjab Military Command pension records if either of you want to see them.
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Hello Brenton,

Certainly a bit of a puzzle there. Sorry, but I can't help you with it. That part of the family is way off my main line as I explained previously.

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Thanks John.

I'll check my tree and post any queries I have.

Birth 26618/1906 CARTER MIRIAM - HENRY S - EMILY M - NARRANDERA

A date of birth and date of death for Miriam would be good to add to my tree, thanks.

That's a high reg # so birth might be in late 1905.

Also the date in 1925 or 1926 of their marriage in Hay.

As, I've mentioned my remote connection is via Thomas Treloar & Jane Gribble.

Dave


Birth 26618/1906 CARTER MIRIAM - HENRY S - EMILY M - NARRANDERA ** 1 Mar 1906

Marriage 12366/1926 BRIGGS FRANCIS S - CARTER MIRIAM - HAY ** 3 Aug 1926
 
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My wife, Linda, is the great-granddaughter of George Howard Briggs (d. 1897) and Eliza Briggs (nee Eldridge).

I've created a Wikipedia entry for Francis Stewart Briggs, which tries to address some of the genealogy questions and issues.

We're composing a reply to try to addess your latest questions, Brenton.

There seem to be a large number of Elizas and Elizabeths in the story, which adds to the confusion.

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John
 

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