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Franz/Frank HOFFMAN(N)

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Hello,

'Parland' 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle and family Reel 2459, [4/4912]; Fiche 851
HOFFMANN Jacob 28
HOFFMANN Catherine 25
HOFFMANN Franz Joseph inft

Parland - Arrived 5 Jul 1849
Jacob 28 Vine Keeper Ch of Rome Both
Catherine 25 (Wife) Ch of Rome Both


Birth 21530/1909 HOFFMAN FRANCIS J - FRANZ J - ISABELLA - SYDNEY

Marriage 5181/1932 HOFFMAN FRANK J W - GATES MYRTLE G - CHATSWOOD

Death 8533/1942 HOFFMAN FRANK JOSEPH WALTER - FRANK -ISABELLA - CHATSWOOD

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tuesday 26 May 1942 p.10
DEATHS
HOFFMAN.-May 23, 1942, (suddenly) at North Sydney, Frank, beloved husband of Myrtle and loved father of Maueen, Dorothy and Patricia, and dearly loved son of Mr. and Mrs. Frank Hoffman of 13 Beta Street Lane Cove (formerly Willoughby) and beloved brother of Harry and Dorothy (Mrs. Holloway) aged 33 years.


Marriage 7256/1935 HOLLOWAY FREDERICK G - HOFFMAN DOROTHY I M - NOWRA

Where and when did Franz/Frank marry Isabella?

Where and when were Dorothy and Harry born?

Franz is now Frank. Isabella is Isabel. HOFFMANN is HOFFMAN:

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll - North Sydney - Chatswood
HOFFMAN Frank, Smith street, clerk
HOFFMAN Isabel, Smith street, home duties

This looks like the right reg with an error for the father's name:

Death 26811/1948 HOFFMAN FRANK JOSEPH - FRANZ - CHATSWOOD

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 16 October 1948 p.30
DEATHS
HOFFMAN Frank.-October 14, 1948, at his residence, 13 Beta Street, Lane Cove, beloved husband of Isabella and loved father of Frank (deceased), Harry and Dorothy (Mrs. Holloway), and grandfather of Maureen, Dorothy, Patricia, Richard, Denis, John, and Gaye. Privately cremated.


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Thanks gibbo. :)

That's an easy name compared to some of German origin I have in my tree such as Schrodter, Schneider, Schlosser, Schmalz...
 

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Im a bit confused :confused: Is the Franz J below the same one that is a infant on the passenger list in 1849?

Birth 21530/1909 HOFFMAN FRANCIS J - FRANZ J - ISABELLA - SYDNEY
 

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I believe so. Yes, he would have been about 59. Yes, he would have been about 99 when he died.

If we can prove either of those wrong then we are missing one generation. :2fun:

You may ask, why only three children then? Good question. :)
 

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Liverpool News (NSW : 1937 - 1941) - Thursday 17 April 1941 p.2
PERSONAL PARS
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Mr. Franz Hoffman, of George Street Liverpool, is a patient in Liverpool Hospital.

We have more than one because the one in my tree lived at Lane Cove and Chatswood.


The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864 - 1933) - Friday 1 March 1918 p.6
DEATHS
HOFFMAN.-On the 21st January, at her mother's residence, Stephens-street, Isabella Hoffman, after a short illness. Inserted by her loving mother and sisters.
 
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An assumption has been made. redf) I need to redo this one.

Death 12658/1925 HOFFMAN FRANZ J - JACOB - CATHERINE - NEWCASTLE


Take everything in post #1 from the 1909 birth onwards. Still the same questions. Can't find the marriage or the birth of Dorothy or Harry.


Lots in Qld. but no marriage to an Isabella and no births with mother = Isabella (variations)
 
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If you want the easy ones you need to roll the clock back 5 years. :2fun:

Thank you for pointing out the 1849 - 1948 issue. But my grandmother lived to 99 and her mother was German.


I've searched Qld. and NSW BMD and TROVE in Qld. NSW and Vic. for Franz/Frank Isabelle/Isabel HOFFMAN(N) and didn't find much.

I checked the Brisbane cemeteries for that Isabella looking for her age. No luck.
 
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Thanks gibbo. :)

No marriage and no names but it shows one brother and one sister which fits.


I've just checked the Vic. BMD and no marriage and no births for Harry and Dorothy.

So were they born outside those three states or outside Australia?

No deaths in Ryerson for those two but would have to be in 90s now. ???

Dorothy married in 1935. Initials I M:

Dorothy Isabel Mary Holloway 1937 Queensland Lilley

Dorothy Isabel Mary Holloway 1980 New South Wales Eden Monaro
 
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The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 1 February 1928 pp.10-11
EXAMINATIONS.
SUPERIOR SCHOOLS.
Commercial Subjects.
The Minister for Education announced yesterday the results of the third-year examination of the Domestic Science course.

The numbers specified in the list relate to the following subjects:-(1) English, (2) Business Principles and Bookkeeping, (3) Arithmetic, (4) Shorthand, (5) Typewriting. The passes are divided into two grades, A and B, the A pass being the higher. The successful candidates were:
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Dorothy Hoffman 1B 2B 4B 5A

Essential knowledge. :D
 
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You think this could be Isabella's death?

HOFFMAN Isabella Death notice 19AUG1964 Death 89 late of Cremorne Sydney Morning Herald 20AUG1964

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30021/1964 HOFFMAN ISABELLA STEPHEN UNKNOWN MANLY

edited... wally moment time :biggrin: I have most of the above info on #10 on this thread:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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So born about 1875. I've ruled these two out.

Birth 7442/1874 KISSELL ISABELLA - STEPHEN - ROSETTA - BATHURST

Death 10019/1876 KISSELL ISABELLA - STEPHEN - ROSETTA - SOFALA


Birth 16778/1876 DEEPROSE ISABELLA B - STEPHEN - JANE - NEWCASTLE

Marriage 9202/1899 STIRLING ANDREW A - DEEPROSE ISABELLA B - WICKHAM

Death 20560/1935 STIRLING ISABELLA B - STEPHEN - JANE D - DRUMMOYNE
 
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