Frederick Augustus RAMSAY

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Frederick Augustus RAMSAY b. 1838 India

- parents ?

Father: John Skardon Ramsay b. 2 Nov 1789 Somerset
Mother: Mary Browne b. 1815 India ?

Served in 20th Regiment (East Devonshire) of Foot ???

Arrived 14 Dec 1857 Sydney, NSW ? - I can't find that yet.

Looking for any more info on Frederick.

All info from a tree and not verified yet.

Only this marriage in NSW is fact:

4499/1875 RAMSAY FREDERICK AUGUSTUS - McGREGOR KATE MARIA - YASS

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Probable:

Birth Date 28 - Jan
Birth Year 1837
Baptised Surname Ramsay
*** Male
LDS Film Reference None
IOR Reference None
Source Name East India Register
Source Year 1838
Source Edition 1
Source Presidency Bombay
Source Event Birth
Entry At Ahmednuggur, the lady of Brev. Capt. J.S. Ramsay, 4th N.I., of a son.
Transcribed by FIBIS Volunteers

 

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You seen this?

Australian Town and Country Journal (NSW : 1870 - 1907)
Saturday 13 June 1874

On the 20th March, at her residence, Westcombe, Walmer, Kent, England, Mary Anne, widow the of late Major-General J. S. Ramsay, H. M. Indian Army, Bombay, and mother of Frederick Augustus Ramsay, of Keswycke, near Gunning,

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I didn't see that.

 

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The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Friday 12 February 1875

RAMSAY—M'GREGOR.—February 8, by special license, at St. Clement's Church, Yass, by the Rev. W. H. H. Yarrington, incumbent, Frederick Augustus Ramsay, of Keswycke, near Gunning, second son of the late Major-General John Skardon Ramsay, H. M. Indian Army (Bombay), to Kate Maria, eldest daughter of the late R. G. M'Gregor, Esq., West Maitland.

 

[DaveHam9]

I posted #2 then moved on. :2fun:

Thanks. I didn't have that one either.

Death
5841/1897 RAMSAY FREDERICK A - JOHN S - MARY A - PADDINGTON

I don't think the 20th Reg of Foot arrived in NSW in 1857.

Frederick might even be in the 1851 census in England.

name: Frederick Ramsay
age: 14
gender: M
birthplace: East Indies (British Subject)
relationship to head of household: Pupil
record type: Household

 

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Australian Town and Country Journal (NSW : 1870 - 1907)
Saturday 24 April 1897

RAMSAY.-April 6, at Paddington, Fredrick Augustus Ramsay, late Governor of Gouburn Gaol, aged. 58 years.

 

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20tk. Foot—Ensign Frederick Augustus Ramsay
i has been permitted to resign bis Commission.
Dated 3d April 1857.

http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/6690/pages/327/page.pdf

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

As I suspected. He didn't arrive with the 20th because they didn't arrive in 1857. He was not with them long then.

The trees don't have a death for Kate. She was matron at the various gaols - HERE

1883 They moved from Yass Gaol to Albury Gaol. They were at Cockatoo Island in Sydney Harbour too.

 

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Going by the marriage notice Kate's father was Late R G McGregor from West Maitland.

Maybe him .... im still trying to confirm it

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Tuesday 20 May 1873

On the 18th instant, at his residence, George-street, East Maitland, Mr. R. G. McGREGOR, in the 61st year of his age, deeply regretted by all who knew him.

NSW death index.
5052/1873 MCGREGOR ROBERT JOHN JESSIE WEST MAITLAND

 

[DaveHam9]

That would seem to fit, gibbo.

 

[DaveHam9]

Duncan Dunbar

of London, Henry Noathy, Master, burthen 1371 tons
from the port of London to Sydney, New South Wales, 14th December, 1857

Ramsay J. Mr. Passenger cabin
Ramsay F. Mr. Passenger cabin

 

[gibbo]

Thanks gibbo.

As I suspected. He didn't arrive with the 20th because they didn't arrive in 1857. He was not with them long then.

The trees don't have a death for Kate. She was matron at the various gaols - HERE

1883 They moved from Yass Gaol to Albury Gaol. They were at Cockatoo Island in Sydney Harbour too.

NSW death index

2016/1923 RAMSAY KATHERINE M GREGOR MARY RANDWICK

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=armstrong-smith&id=P3716526155

Im trying to find a death notice to confirm the above is Kate.

 

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The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Wednesday 17 January 1923

RAMSAY.-January. 10, 1923, at her daughter's residence, 201 Delmore road, Coogee, Katharine Maria, relict of the late Frederick Augustus Homsay, aged 75 years. (By request no flowers or mourning.)

 

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Duncan Dunbar

of London, Henry Noathy, Master, burthen 1371 tons
from the port of London to Sydney, New South Wales, 14th December, 1857

Ramsay J. Mr. Passenger cabin
Ramsay F. Mr. Passenger cabin

Empire (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1875)
Monday 14 December 1857

DUNCAN DUNBAIl. Bhlp, 1374 tons, Neatby, from Plymouth September 1. Passengers-Dr. and Mrs. lloyd, family (3), and two servants, Miss Boyd, Misa Cresswoll, Miss Gryl, Mrs. Kent, Mrs. Parker, Mr. Hill, Mr. Templeton, Mr. Comrie, Mr. «nd Mrs. Walford, ö cbildron and sorvant. Miss Walker, Mr. Lumadalo, Mr. Bunchor. Mr. Ramsay, Mr. Lloyd, and 30 in tho steerage. Agents, Gilchrist, Watt, and Co.

 

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Ramsay J. Mr. Passenger cabin
Ramsay F. Mr. Passenger cabin[/QUOTE]


Maybe this is the J Ramsay on the passenger list. A brother to Frederick by the looks.

NSW death index
3176/1918 RAMSAY JOHN A R JOHN S MARY ST LEONARDS

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Yes, looks like a brother.

 

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You need more or case closed?

 

[DaveHam9]

I hope there is more.

Something about when and where he enlisted perhaps.

That might not be the right word since he resigned his commission.

Did his father purchase the commission for him?

The gazettes are full of entries such as "...to be Ensign without purchase..." and "...to be Ensign by purchase..."

 

[DaveHam9]

The London Gazette
Gazette Issue 21799 published on the 16 October 1855
Page 3799
To be Ensign without purchase
Frederick Augustus Ramsay, Gent, vice Vereker
Dated 16th October 1855