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Frederick Charles Ives. 22 July 1906. Naas, Ireland.

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Okey dokes. (y)

Steve.:)
Hi Steve,
sorry for not getting back earlier, its been a very tough week at work, sleeping and resting was all I could do.
Back to Frederick Charles Ives. Yes he was born on 22nd July, 1906 at Curragh Camp, Ireland (A.S.C.C.&T. - Vol 628/page 283) he baptism was on the 26th August, 1906 at Garrison Church, Curragh Camp, County of Kildara, Ireland.
The story of Fred goes something like this (where the truth lays I am still not sure, I can't find evidence to support Fred's stories!)
Fred want to join the Military in England and be a solider like his father, but apparently around that time the military weren't taking any new recruits as the war was coming to an end. So he decide to move to Australia as a Barwell's Boy. You are correct on the ship the Balranald and he arrived on the 18th December 1922 at the Port Adelaide Dock. this is from a book called "Cleve Senior Citizens Club - Memories"
My father was a soldier in the general army and moved to Woolwich, England. I started school there at three and a half years; two years later moved to India (can't find anything to support this), then back to Scotland and from there to Portsmouth. On the day before the declaration of World War I, my parents, my sister and myself were in the English Channel on Nelson's Ship the Victory (once again can't find evidence to support this).During the war we moved inland to Buckinghamshire to my mother's place of birth, and stayed with her parents and her crippled sister. It was so lovely and peaceful there. After the war I joined the mechanical transport army and was discharged at the age of sixteen.
World War I was supposed to have ended all wars – it was said they wouldn’t require many men in the future, so I applied to join the Barwell Scheme and landed in Australia late in 1922, working on farms at Bowman, Pinnaroo, and then Cleve. Worked for old man Hannemann’s (fine old fellow) on Walter Hannemann’s farm. Also on the same place was Reg Levett, his wife and two girls, Beryl and Mavis. From there I worked for Len Cowley driving the big solid tyred trucks, and share-farmed for him.
It was there that I met my wife Merle Hamilton – that was in the drought and sand storm era. I learned to shear and to blacksmith and any other type of work that would earn a crust, including tractor and machinery repairs, and started a small repairs shop. Unfortunately it got burnt out and there had been no insurance.
In 1939 the second World War had broken out. The war created a lot of bad feelings – even among neighbours and friends. I took over my mate’s truck and went carrying; things were very tough. Merle would help me with all the heavy lifting and tough jobs. She is still a marvel now in 1988. We eventually went back to motor repairs work, and built a big shed in Third Street, Cleve, gradually improving our plant. From that time on my wife was my chief mechanic, office girl, housemaid, general rouseabout, mother of four children (they had 5 children, 1 died at 3 months) and the “super brains” about the place. Our neighbour in the wheelchair, Mr Hans Serotzki, would keep us informed of all the news. He was a man with a wonderful mind and memory and never forgot anything.
We carried on in the garage, until I was told by the doctor to give it away. So in 1967 we closed the business and did our tour to various parts of the world. We went to England to see my relatives and spent four and a half months overseas, settling in Whyalla on our return. In Whyalla I got tangled up with the veteran Car Club, and still play with the old models when I am able to do so. Merle still helps me in all my pursuits. (1988).
That's it
So other facts. They had 5 children, 4 are still alive and Douglas Vernon Ives was their 2nd child. Douglas I am still working on, as there is lots of mystery or strange facts. They are - born on the 2nd October, 1939 at I believe Cleve Hospital. He was very sick and Merle's Father took Douglas to Adelaide and put him in the Mareenba Hospital - it was a babies hospital of the time. It is closed and the records are available but there is also a 100 year exemption on them, so I am trying to find the right department to allow me to access them. It is said that Douglas suffered from Osteogenesis Imperfecta - Brittle bone disease and he died on the 27th January, 1940 only 16 weeks old. I can't find a burial site for him, it is said again that is body was donated to science and it was in a jar at one of the teaching hospitals, but on contacting them, they knew nothing. Merle never saw her baby again after a few days old and never spoke about him.
back to Fred.
In Whyalla Fred had a mechanic shop in his back yard, but he eventually gave it away. Fred died on the 19th June 1995 at Whyalla from Bronchopneumonia 5 days(on his death certificate) and Cerebro Vascular accident - 5 months. Fred was cremated and his ashes are at the Cleve Cemetery.
Merle was Elsie Merle Hamilton. Born on the 17th February, 1912 at Cleve, South australia. She died on the 8th July, 2003 at the Hahndorf Nursing Home (a Hills suburb of Adelaide) at the age of 91 years. she too was cremated and her Ashes are at the Cleve Cemetery.
His Father - Frederick William Ives. You gave me something new. I had been trying to find his early records, I was told that they had been burnt, so you gave me fresh hope. Thank you.
Fred was born on 4th October, 1875 at High Wycombe, Buck and died on the 30th September, 1939 at High Wycombe, aged 63 years. He was buried on the 3rd October 1939 at the Wycombe Cemetery, where I believe only the men attended as it was a wet and muddy day, and the women stayed back at home, while the men attended. Not sure if that is true!
1881 census - Fred was at 255 Totteridge Road, High Wycombe - Parents - Chair makers
1891 census - 72 Totteridge Road, High Wycombe
1895 - Joined Army - Service No. - T/12144 - 6th May 1895
1902 - married - Woolwich
1903 - William Ives born - Woolwich
1904 - Doris Elizabeth Ives Born - Curragh Camp, Ireland
1906 - Frederick Charles Ives born - Curragh, Camp, Ireland
1909 - Francis Ives Born - Woolwich
this period - meant to be in India - Military Diplomat - Red Ford Delhi
1911 - Eileen Ives born - Woolwich
1912 - Stationed at West Kensington, London
1913 - Leonard Ives born - Woolwich
1915 - Discharged from Army - 20 years - many war wounds
1918 - Margaret Ives born - Holmer Green
1921 - Phyllis Ives born - Wycombe (Phyllis passed away only I think last year of 2017)
Esther Leech daughter of Frederick and Elizabeth Leech nee Rickard, born 2nd January, 1879 Little Missenden, Bucks, baptism - 22nd May 1883, died 12th January 1960 at High Wycombe aged 81 years. buried on the 15th January, 1960 at the Wycombe Cemetery.

So Steve - who were your Grand parents?
 

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Frances Douglas Ives married Winifred Beatrice Hayes, 1940 Yeovil, Somerset. He dies 26 Aug 1984 • St Column, Cornwall, England.

She dies Aug 2004 • St Austell, Cornwall, England.

Elizabeth Leech(nee.Rickard), was born Aylesbury, Bucks, 1852, Daughter of William Edward Rickard(1822, Dinton, Bucks) and Esther Baldwin.(1825, Aylesbury, Bucks). They were married 18 Feb 1844, St Mary's, Aylesbury, Bucks.

Brother, Ralph Oliver Ives, married Mary Ann Leech,(sister of Esther Leech), 1902, Little Missenden, Bucks.

Ralph dies 21 Feb 1967, High Wycombe, Bucks. Mary Ann dies 1963, High Wycombe, Bucks.
 
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Frances Douglas Ives married Winifred Beatrice Hayes, 1940 Yeovil, Somerset. He dies 26 Aug 1984 • St Column, Cornwall, England.

She dies Aug 2004 • St Austell, Cornwall, England.

Elizabeth Leech(nee.Rickard), was born Aylesbury, Bucks, 1852, Daughter of William Edward Rickard(1822, Dinton, Bucks) and Esther Baldwin.(1825, Aylesbury, Bucks). They were married 18 Feb 1844, St Mary's, Aylesbury, Bucks.

Brother, Ralph Oliver Ives, married Mary Ann Leech,(sister of Esther Leech), 1902, Little Missenden, Bucks.

Ralph dies 21 Feb 1967, High Wycombe, Bucks. Mary Ann dies 1963, High Wycombe, Bucks.
Hi Steve,
That all makes seems now. I found you in my history. I have a picture of Francis of Frank in his military uniform. All your dates are the same as mine, So I'm happy about that, and you are only 5 years older than me!
Okay, question about another cousin - Edwin Isaac (Ted) Ives. born 17.10.1915, Holmer Green and died 1983, Norfolk aged 68 years and he married Vera R. Buckland b.- 1.1.1926 Wycombe. they had a son Brian Edwin Ives b.- 15.5.1948, London and died in a helicopter crash (apparently) in Northern Ireland aged 44 years. Death date - 1987, He married Diana Jacqueline Clark in 1970 in Kent.
Do you know anything about him and the accident? I thought it would have been significant but I can't find anything about it or I'm looking in the wrong places.
 

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Hmm. I've actually not got Edwin in my tree.!!.........he has slipped my attention.

Is he the son of Frederick or Ralph Ives. So, who is the one cremated in Amersham. Or did he die Norfolk, and cremated at Amersham.


Name: Edwin I Ives
Mother's Maiden Name: Leech
Registration Year:
1915
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Amersham
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 1533.


Edwin Isaac Ives
BIRTH 1915
DEATH 23 Sep 1983
BURIAL Chilterns Crematorium. Amersham, Chiltern District, Buckinghamshire,

Name: Edwin Isaac Ives
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1914
Registration Date: Sep 1983
Registration district: Norwich Outer
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10P
Page: 1879.
 
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Hmm. I've actually not got Edwin in my tree.!!.........he has slipped my attention.

Is he the son of Frederick or Ralph Ives. So, who is the one cremated in Amersham. Or did he die Norfolk, and cremated at Amersham.


Name: Edwin I Ives
Mother's Maiden Name: Leech
Registration Year:
1915
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Amersham
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 1533.


Edwin Isaac Ives
BIRTH 1915
DEATH 23 Sep 1983
BURIAL Chilterns Crematorium. Amersham, Chiltern District, Buckinghamshire,

Name: Edwin Isaac Ives
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1914
Registration Date: Sep 1983
Registration district: Norwich Outer
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10P
Page: 1879.
Edwin Isaac Ives b.- 17.10.1915 Holmer Green is the 7th child of Frederick William Ives and Esther Leech. I have Edwin as a soldier and then a Prison Warden. Other things I have noted - Scots Guard - WW2, captured and imprisoned by the Germans in Stag log 383 for 4 years. Staff Sergeant - Pilot in Army Air Corps, Service - Northern Ireland
married in the September quarter 1947, Wycombe (6a/1279) to Vera R. Buckland b.- 1.1.1926 Wycombe, I haven't found her remarrying or death, but haven't tried that hard either!
They only had the one son. Brian Edwin Ives, b. - 15.5.1948 Greater London (5c/478), d.- 1987 overseas death registered during 1987 (rego - B.A.O.R., Post - F, Page 0033). I believe son Brian married Diana Jacqueline (known as Jacqueline) Clark, I couldn't find any children, but there should be.
I googled Brian Edwin Ives and found the following
Armed Forces registration event : Death
(from - find my past.co.uk)
Name – Ives, Brian Edwin
Post – British Army on the Rhine
Country – Germany
Year – 1987
Volume – F (British armed forces – Army, Royal Air Force and Royal Navy)
Page – 33
Date of birth – 15 May 1949
Registration – B. A. O. R
Record source – GRO Death Abroad Indices (1966 to 1994)

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Date – October 3, 2010 (Steve D)

I was present on Monday, 16th January, 1978 following the mortar attack and booby-trap explosion in the lorry used for the attack on Forkhill. Lt Col Corden-Lloyd helped to remove an injured police officer from the remains of the lorry cab and found a weak pulse. This officer was then placed onto a door, used as a stretcher, and placed into a Puma helicopter to be taken to hospital. Amazingly the same officer was sitting up in hospital a week later.

On Friday, 17 February 1978 I was operating with a colleague in the Edenappa, Jonesborough, Killeavy area. The first thing we had on our list of to-do’s that afternoon was to collect 16 members of a RGJ patrol that had been mistakenly dropped over the border by a Puma. We recovered the members of the patrol and their bergans infours and brought them to Killeavy. I think this patrol was led by Sergeant John Hand. After completion of this task we made our way to the Edennappa Road which leads from Jonesborough to the border. A forest behind a stone wall bounds this road to the east. From behind this wall terrorists commenced shooting at COP team members concealed further up the road nearer to Jonesborough itself. We and the COP team undoubtedly made contact reports and requested assistance. A short time later a Gazelle AH 1 helicopter XX404 of 657 Squadron AAC arrived in the area. I don’t recall the pilots name but the passengers were Lt. Colonel Ian Corden-Lloyd, front left seat, and if I remember correctly, in the rear was Captain Schofield. Firing was heavy and continual, especially after the helicopter’s arrival. It carried out a fast, evasive manoeuvre during which it appeared to stall and hit the ground. It then bounced, hit a stone wall, and landed in another field on its right side. My colleague and I rushed to the scene and found the helicopter as described. The area round it was covered in aviation fuel, debris and live rounds of ammunition that had spilled from the weapons carried on board. The pilot was underneath trapped by the battery pack but protected by his helmet. Lt Colonel Corden Lloyd was still strapped in his seat with his head lying to the right. Captain Schofield had been catapulted from the rear and had a deep wound to the centre of his forehead. He was immediately removed to the cover a ditch a few feet from the crash site. Please remember two things at this time : 1. Myself and colleague were in civilian clothes and 2. Neither the terriorists or COP team members knew who we were therefore it is likely that both were firing upon us as we attempted to rescue injured personnel from the wreck. Shortly after this a Wessex helicopter arrived. I assisted to remove the Colonel from his seat and carried him to the ditch were medical staff were assessing injuries. I believe the Colonel was in fact already dead from his injuries when we arrived on the scene. Colleagues lifted the main wreckage of the helicopter whilst I went underneath to unstrap the pilot’s helmet. He was then pulled free from the wreckage and taken for treatment. Following the crash firing continued along the border as the terrorists extracated themselves. At approximately 0200 the following morning myself and colleague went to Bessbrook Mill to brief the ?OC and Cheif Constable on the circumstances of the incident. We then returned to the crash site and remained on duty until late on the evening of the 18th when the aircraft remains had been recovered to Aldergrove for examination.

Philip Schofield, Date November 23, 2010
Steve, I don’t know who you are but your report looks very possible. Were you RUC or from Portadown and wounded in the butt during the C coy mortar attack?
I have no recollection of the incident, but the pilot’s name was Sgt. Brian Ives; he was killed about 5 years later in a helicopter in the Pyrenees.
The RMO was Capt. Chris Box, and I understand that ARF comprise a 4 man ptl from 2LI, Ballykinler. The COP sect comd was Sgt Fred Ramsden. The last thing I remember was briefing the incoming BN @ic the week before, and patrolling through Jonesboro on Sat Feb 11 to pick up photos and waste from the OP and meeting a casual contact in the village.
It took me a long time (about a month) to recover full consciousness, and I’ve had diplopia (double vision) every since: I suffered a number of injuries, including my back, and was very lucky to be able to continue to serve. I retired as a Lt Col in 2008, and I’ve spend most of the last 20 years in C Asia, the Caucasus and Russia.
John Ridings, dated Jul 26, 2011
I served as a Gazelle helicopter pilot at the end of 1977 and early 1978, often flying Lt Col Corden-Lloyd around the RGJ operating area of S Armagh. He was a real go getter, and seemed well respected by his men. I recall landing inside the compound at Forkill dropping off the Col. and then lifting out quickly, a few seconds later mortar rounds exploded within the compound!! A close shave. The pilot of the Gazelle that crashed, killing the Col. was indeed Brian Ives, a fellow member of REME. I have a few anecdotes about Brian, but the censor would probably delete them!!! I survived being machine gunned at Crossmaglen, the same time that Andy McNab was there.
Crome Dome, dated October 1, 2011
Be good to hear your stories on Brian Ives as he was my father – Rachael Ives.
So Im not sure, that is all I have on Brian Edwin Ives's family
 

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