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FURNER family originally from Brede

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Hello crankypants,

Time for my grandmother's side of the tree and the FURNER family from Brede in East Sussex.

Nickolas FURNER b. abt 1665 Brede

married Apr 1690 Brede

Mary CATE/GATE/FATE b. abt 1668

I'd like a census look up please for 1691 Oops >:D

Seriously, we are not doing the whole tree from there.

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ii. Thomas b. 1692 married Elizabeth KING in 1711

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viii. Nathaniel b. 1725 married Mary GADD in 1757

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iii. Francis b. 1762 married Elizabeth FAIRHALL in 1783

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v. Charles b. 1796 d. 4 May 1865 Goulburn

Buried in the Wesleyan Section Old Goulburn Cemetery

married 25 Dec 1820 Speldhurst, Kent - posted banns in Sussex

Mary WATERS b. 1799 Sussex d. 26 Dec 1869 Goulburn

They arrived in 1838 or 1839 settling first in Camden then they moved to Goulburn about 1846.

They had 9 children, the last born in NSW

Birth # V1840270 54 FURNER WILLIAM CHARLES MARY
Death # V1840433 24A/1840 TURNER WILLIAM INFANT ?

I have not yet been able to confirm that although I know several events in the descendant tree do appear as TURNER.

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Hello crankypants,

That's curious. I can't see either Charles or Mary in the Old Goulburn Cemetery list. Perhaps the Wesleyan Section hasn't been done :confused:

I have Charles buried 7 May 1865 and Mary buried 28 Dec 1869 in my database.

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Hello crankypants,

Eliza FURNER b. 1821 d. 1904 Camden

married 1845

Nelson Thomas WHITEMAN b. 1815 d. 1884 Camden

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Charles FURNER b. 1824 d. 1906 Camden

1) married 1845 St Paul's Cobbitty

Harriet WHITEMAN b. 1827 d. 1856 Camden

2) married 1856 Camden

Harriet OLIVER b. 1835 d. 1903 Camden


Please see what you can find.

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Hi Dave

This is my 2nd attempt, what I originally typed I lost. Don't you hate that. Now after eating half a packet of tim tams I'm feeling slightly ill.

You know we've just started and I'm already feeling FURNER'd.:D :D

Think I exhausted every directory I could think of and still couldn't find a thing on Charles FURNER (senior). No shipping record to be found, so he swam.:eek:. Only one tree on A.....y had mention of burial Wesleyan Section, Old Goulburn Cemetery, 7th May 1869.

1870-71 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Camden
WHITEMAN Nelson, Cobbitty Paddock, leasehold

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Illawarra - Camden
WHITEMAN Eliza, Camden, domestic duties

AGC Index Nelson Whiteman 5 Mar 1866 Cowpasture, Livestock Impounder Government Gazette.

Couldn't find Charles in 1870 Camden.

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Illawarra - Camden
FURNER Charles, Mitchell-street, independant means
FURNER Harriet, Camden, domestic duties

AGC Index Charles Furner 17 Apr 1868 Wingecarribee District Government
Gazette.

Are the FURNER's buried at Cowra & Carcoar your clan.
A.......y has Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007. There are plenty with transcriptions.

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I love Tim Tams - especially the double choc :D :D

Yes, it's annoying to lose stuff like that so I do most of mine now in a text file in notepad.

Curious :rolleyes: I have the following dates:

Charles d. 4 May 1865 age 69 fits with his birth in 1796 c. 7 Feb 1796 Tonbridge

Mary d. 26 Dec 1869 age 70 fits with birth in 1799 c. 31 March 1799

No one yet has found them in the shipping records.

Yes, some are also buried in Cowra and Carcoar. I have the spreadsheet with the Coolamon, Narrandera and W Wagga ones.

Lots and lots of descendants. Luckily, we have done some already. Make sure you keep up the stock of Tim Tams :2fun:

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Hello crankypants,

For this generation we have already done some of the other siblings. The only other one is:

Sarah Jane FURNER b. 1836 d. 1917 Rockdale

married 1854 Goulburn

Archibald FLETCHER b. abt 1834 d. abt 1904

Please see what you can find.

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Hi Dave

1857 Sydney Post Office Directory
FLETCHER Archibald, 58 Parramatta street, Ironmonger

1858-1867 N.S.W Sands Directory
FLETCHER Archibald, ironmonger, 67 Parramatta street

1874 New South Wales Police Gazette
Stolen, about 7 p.m. the 3rd instant, from the shop door of
Archibald Fletcher, ironmonger, Parramatta-street,-One saucepan
and two lids, which were subsequently offered for sale to
Thomas May, ironmonger, George-street (who detained them),
by a woman about 30 years of age, medium height, stout built ;
dressed in dirty dark gown, striped shawl, and dirty lightcoloured
mushroom hat, can be identified.

1887-1890 N.S.W Sands Directory
FLETCHER Archibald, ironmonger, Clarence st, Penhurst Park, Hurstville

1896-1899 N.S.W Sands Directory
FLETCHER Arch, Arcadia st, Hurstville

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Lang - Hurstville
FLETCHER Archibald, Penshurst Park, ironmonger
FLETCHER Archibald William, Penshurst Park, medical student
FLETCHER Janet Isabella, Penshurst Park, domestic duties
FLETCHER Joseph Augustus, Penshurst Park, teacher
FLETCHER Sarah Jane, Penshurst Park, domestic duties

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

...dirty lightcoloured mushroom hat, can be identified.
:D


There are several Archibald FLETCHERs and there is no doubt you have the one who married Sarah Jane. I can match 3 children in that E/R. The Hurstville death is the more likely:

9622/1904 FLETCHER ARCHIBALD ROBERT HURSTVILLE

496/1905 FLETCHER ARCHIBALD PETER MARY BALMAIN NORTH

You know we've just started and I'm already feeling FURNER'd. :D :D
Ok, I promise to leave the SLAUGHTER family until the very end. >:D


Marriage
V1854445 85/1854 FLETCHER ARCHIBALD TURNER SARAH J IQ = FURNER

496/1858 FLETCHER ARCHIBALD WATSON JEMIMA SYDNEY

From Low's Directory 1847 page 38
Archibald Fletcher Tinplate Worker Parramatta Street 'B' ('B'= From Charles Street to Athlone Place)
From Sands Directories: Archibald Fletcher
He is listed as a tinplate worker in Parramatta Street 1844-1851
Resided at 19 Pymont Street Sydney and his Freehold business was at Parramatta Street in 1859-1860
Was listed as Iron Monger at 67 Parramatta Street in 1861- 1864 and private residence was at 67 Buckingham Street
Then in 1880 page 416, as well as an Ironmonger he had a glass and china warehouse at 67 to79 George Street West
He still conducted his business 1880-1883 at 79 George Street West Free Hold
Was listed as free hold in 67 Buckingham Street Sydney in 1889-1890

I presume the one who married Jemima is the one who died in Balmain North.

I mine is the one with father = Robert then it's possibly the Archibald born much earlier - b. 3 Aug 1818 Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland to parents Robert & Lydia 'Loveday' SMITH.

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Hello crankypants,

We'll take a few diversions along the way.

'British King' FLETCHER Robert 45 28/02/1839 Reel 2654 228 [4/4780] Wife 42; nailor and cuttler NRS 5313

Ship's Master William Paton, surgeon Doctor Alexander Arbuckle from Tobermory Scotland on 28 October 1838 and arrived in Sydney on 28 February 1839

1Janet Fletcher aged 21 years occupation Nursery Maid
2 Archibald Fletcher aged 19 years
3 William Fletcher aged 15 years
4 Isabella Fletcher aged 13 years
5 Peter Fletcher aged 11 years
6 Robert Fletcher aged 9 years
7 Wingworth Fletcher [llingworth] aged 7 years
8 Lydia Fletcher aged 5 years
9 Catherine Fletcher aged 2 years


John Dunmore Lang’s Bounty Scheme (1837-1841) sought to bring out Scottish Highlanders to the Australian colonies. Lang believed that although poor, they epitomized the moral values and solid work ethic which would improve the tone of Australian society which was largely convict based in the 1830’s. They were honest, God-fearing and hard-working free settlers. There were 20 ships in the original Bounty Scheme which gave assisted passage to about 4000 Scots between 1837-40 These ships were the John Barry, William Nichol, Midlothian, Brilliant, Duncan, Lady Kennaway, William Roger, St. George, Boyne, Asia, Lady McNaughton, James Moran, British King, Hero, David Clarke, George Fyfe, Henry Porcher, Glen Huntley, Dauntless and Calder.
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Hello crankypants,

I had both in my database, one married to Sarah Jane with no E/R and no occupation and no parents and the other with parents and no spouse and listed as an ironmonger. Now I've merged the two in my database but I'm still looking for more proof I have the right parents for the one who married Sarah Jane.

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Hello crankypants,

Robert's spouse Lydia 'Loveday' died after 1866 but so far her death has not been found.

A dressmaker at 103 -105 Campbell St Sydney in 1858 and at 27 Buckingham St Sydney in 1866.

Her parents were Archibald & Katherin McDONALD.

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Hello crankypants,

Please see if you can find anything on the other Archibald FLETCHER who married Jemima that ties either of them to the Balmain area. That should be enough to prove I have the right one.

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Hi Dave

N.S.W Sands Directory there is one A. FLETCHER in Balmain and one Arch FLETCHER in Balmain around 1903-1905

1904 NSW Sands Directory
FLETCHER A., 150 Trafalgar st, Annandale
FLETCHER Capt. A., 9 Fawcett st, Balmain
FLETCHER Capt. Arch., Jane st, Balmain

Searched the 1903 Dalley Division E/R and found one Archibald FLETCHER. He's on his own so once again no real proof. Couldn't find a death for Jemima FLETCHER or remarriage.

1903 N.S.E Electoral Roll – Dalley – Balmain North
FLETCHER Archibald, 9 Jane-street, master mariner

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Hello crankypants,

Thanks. Robert, spouse of Lydia and probable father of my Archibald was a nailor and cuttler. Archibald was the eldest son so I'd say the tin-plate worker/ironmonger would be the one.

This seems to be the birth of their last child:

17047/1870 FLETCHER GERTRUDE ARCHIBALD JEMIMA SHOALHAVEN

Yes, no sign of Jemima.

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Hello crankypants,

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Goulburn
FURNER Mary Susannah, Bradley-street, domestic duties
FURNER Oswald Herbert, Bradley-street, auctioneer
Mary died in 1946 in Crookwell. Please see if you can find her in E/R.

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Hello crankypants,

I'm wondering if 'capiche' is something you might use. :) I know it means the end result is an image and not a text file so I either have to just save it as is or retype the E/R listings into my database, but it should save you some time once you get the hang of it. One possible down-side though: this archive being mainly text will compress but if lots of images are posted it will add to the size of this site. Others have told me over the years that the easiest way for all the look ups is just to type the stuff, but I keep asking is that really so?? What do you think?

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Hello crankypants,

I'm wondering if 'capiche' is something you might use. :) I know it means the end result is an image and not a text file so I either have to just save it as is or retype the E/R listings into my database, but it should save you some time once you get the hang of it. One possible down-side though: this archive being mainly text will compress but if lots of images are posted it will add to the size of this site. Others have told me over the years that the easiest way for all the look ups is just to type the stuff, but I keep asking is that really so?? What do you think?

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Hi Dave

Never heard of 'capiche' before. Happy to try anything new, just let me what
I need to do and we'll give it a go.

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Hello crankypants,

http://jansfreeware.com/ - Utilities link

It's a simple screen capture program that sits in the system tray. I've noticed a 'bug' on my computer with the tray icon empty - right clicking on that icon has a close option.

When started it's just a frame that can be moved around the screen and resized. When it's over the stuff to be captured all you do is close it with the 'X' in top right corner. It copies the screen to clipboard and if the next paste is to say an open and empty window in the simple 'Paint' program the image can be saved as a .jpg or .png (not .bmp - they are too large).

Play around with it and see what you think. :D

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Hi Dave

Will check the link out over the weekend and see how I go with it.


1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Werriwa - Crookwell
FURNER Mary Susannah, Woodlands, McAlister, home duties

1937 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Eden Monaro - Goulburn
FURNER Mary Susannah, 117 Kinghorne street, home duties

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Eden Monaro - Goulburn
FURNER Mary Susannah, 117 Kinghorne street, home duties
FURNER Terrence Charles, 117 Kinghorne street, radio expert

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Ok.


Terence Charles FURNER b. 1907 Goulburn d. 1969 Morisset

(not Terrence)[Well, I don't think so] :2fun:

Terence is the youngest child. He ended up in the funny farm I think.

Addition
In 1908, a psychiatric hospital opened on a large estate along the lake shore. At its height in the 1960s, Morisset Mental Hospital had 1,600 patients. The Hospital continues to dominate Morisset's reputation, although it now holds less than 200 patients, and is threatened with closure.


Please see what you can find.

Thanks.

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