GATES & MADDEN

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 3595/1874 GATES JOHN THOMAS - MADDEN ELIZABETH - PATRICKS PLAIN * 20 Aug

Death for John ??

Elizabeth in 1903 & 1913 ??

1930 & 1931 NSW Electoral Roll - Parkes - Ashfield West
GATES Elizabeth, 9 Hugh street, Ashfield, home duties
GATES Laura Morgan, 9 Hugh street, Ashfield, nurse
GATES Ruby Ethel, 9 Hugh street, Ashfield, dental assistant

Death 2063/1932 GATES ELIZABETH (-MADDEN) 82 YRS GLEBE MARGARET GLEBE * 19 Feb

Thanks,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

John not buried with them, all 3 below buried same plot.

Rookwood
Elizabeth Gates
DATE OF BURIAL 29 FEB 1932
PLOT: METHODIST NEW 4C_ZONE F/#/840

Ruby Ethel Gates
Date of Burial : 30 JUL 1936
Plot : Methodist New 4C_Zone F/#/840

Laura margaret Gates
DATE OF BURIAL 4 MAR 1973
PLOT: METHODIST NEW 4C_ZONE F/#/840

The only mention of John in her obit was he was named as who she had married.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/155293644

 

[gibbo]

Last kid was born Inverell in 1885, i checked Inverell for John been buried there but havent found anything as yet.

GATES MAUD ELIZABETH
17830/1875
JOHN THOMAS
ELIZABETH
PATRICKS PLAIN

GATES BURTON EDWARD
20160/1878
JOHN THOMAS
ELIZABETH
PATRICKS PLAIN

GATES LAURA MARGARET
22300/1880
JOHN THOMAS
ELIZABETH
PATRICKS PLAIN

GATES LANGLEY S
28886/1883
JOHN T
ELIZABETH
PATRICKS PLAIN

GATES RUBY E
24086/1885
JOHN T
ELIZABETH
INVERELL

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Sat 20 Feb 1932 p.11
FUNERALS
GATES.-The Relatives and Friends of the late Mrs. ELIZABETH GATES are informed that her Funeral will leave T. J. Andrews' Funeral Chapel, 23 Enmore-road, Newtown, THIS DAY, alter Service commenctng at 2 p.m., for Crematorium Rookwood. By road, per Motor Service.
T. J. ANDREWS, Funeral Director, 23-25 Enmore-road, Newtown.

Must be burial of ashes ??

 

[gibbo]

Lismore cemetery
Langley Gates 01/07/1965 - : Lot:
Sidney Burton Langley Gates 08/03/1957 - : Lot: [Not sure if this is Burton born 1878 or not??]

GATES SIDNEY BURTON LANGLEY 6502/1957 91 YEARS - LISMORE-COACH PAINTER -LISMORE

GATES LANGLEY 25509/1965 JOHN THOMAS ELIZABETH LISMORE

IF the family were around Lismore i wonder if this could be John Thomas?? Long shot and i havent found anything as yet to help.

GATES JOHN J
1782/1906
WILLIAM J
ELLEN A
LISMORE

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

 

[gibbo]

Called himself Burton Albert, looks like he changed his name when it suited him.
Picture of him in his jail record.

https://records-primo.hosted.exlibr...ext=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX2073366

INX-84-24703
Title GATES Burton Albert
Index Name Gaol Inmates/Prisoners Photos Index 1870-1930
Name Burton Albert
Surname GATES
Date of Birth 1878
Place of Birth Singleton
Gaol Goulburn
Date of Photo 25/09/1908
Photo No 2189

PS still havent found his John Thomas death that i can confirm.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I though Laingley was on Townshend side but it's on the Gates or Madden side.

TOWNSHEND, FRANK LAINGLEY REDVERS
Service Australian Army
Service Number NX45180
Date of Birth 23 Apr 1900
Place of Birth WALCHA, NSW
Date of Enlistment 18 Jun 1940
Locality on Enlistment NEWCASTLE, NSW
Place of Enlistment NEWCASTLE, NSW
Next of Kin TOWNSHEND, ELSIE
Date of Discharge 24 Oct 1945
Rank Staff Sergeant
Posting at Discharge 2/9 Field Regiment
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

 

[gibbo]

Looks like Langley Gates got himself into some trouble as well

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/217795921

 

[gibbo]

1893
TOWNSHEND—GATES.—August 3, at Walcha, by the Rev. E. G. Moberly, Frank Townshend to Maud Elizabeth Gates.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/164365162
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[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

John Thomas Gates a cab driver in Redfern aged 34 in 1890 so ruled out.

 

[DaveHam9]

One tree has his alt name as John Edward Gates but just says born abt 1850 and no parents and no death and only one child listed.

Have not connected Laingley/Langley to Gates or Madden yet.

 

[DaveHam9]

GATES John Thomas Death notice 26APR1938 Death 82 late of Bexley Sydney Morning Herald 27APR1938

That fits with the age 34 in 1890.

Birth GATES JOHN T 11690/1887 JOHN T - MARY A - REDFERN

Birth GATES ALICE MAY 8480/1882 JOHN THOMAS - MARY ANN - REDFERN

Ruled out for certain.

 

[DaveHam9]

Birth GATES JOHN J 4651/1906 WILLIAM J - ELLEN A - LISMORE

 

[DaveHam9]

MADDEN ELIZABETH 887/1850 V1850887 68 JOHN MARY * RC

MADDEN ELIZABETH 887/1849 V1849887 66 ROBERT CATHERINE * RC

MADDEN ELIZABETH 2409/1849 V18492409 35 JAMES MARGARET * CofE

 

[DaveHam9]

639/1842 V1842639 123 MADDEN JAMES - ROSS MARGARET - PN= Presbyterian Whittingham

Whittingham is a locality in the Singleton Council region of New South Wales...

 

[DaveHam9]

No birth in England 1840 - 1858 for a John Gates with mmn Laingley/Langley or Redvers

 

[gibbo]

I found this its all i could get cause im not a paid member but i can't find anything to confirm.

Ancestry
??
John Thomas Gates
1848 - 1923
Born in New South Wales, Australia in 1848 ...

 

[gibbo]

He was a coach builder 1884

New South Wales Government Gazette (Sydney, NSW : 1832 - 1900)
Tue 7 Oct 1884
In the Insolvent Estate of John Thomas Gates, of Inverell, late of Singleton, coach builder.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/221677199

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

That looks good and that baptism in Whittingham looks to fit.