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George BUTCHART

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Hello,

George BUTCHART b. ? d. aft 1834

married ?

Christina HANNA b. ? d. aft 1834

Known children:

Christina b. abt 1820 EDIT b. 1821 Campsie, Stirling
Jean b. abt 1824 Polmont, Stirling
Janet Finlay b. 1831 Cadder, Lanark
Agnes Murdoch b. 1834 Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton

I wonder if George was in the army?

I tried TNA and found a sailor. :2fun:

Regards,

Dave
 
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Hi Dave

I know it's an old post of yours, but found this that might be of interest to you......

George Butchart
28 Rossie Street, Arbroath

1914
Regimental number 4464
Regiment - 2nd Horse Brigade Royal Field Artillery

Best Regards - Ron
 
Hello Ron,

Thanks for looking. At the moment I have no idea how that later George might fit.

I was looking for an explanation for the different places of birth for the four daughters. I've not found George in 1841 and I have no idea re his occupation. He could have been a journeyman stonemason or a blacksmith or he could have been in the army. I suppose there is a way of ruling that out by trying to trace the movements of all regiments stationed in Scotland 1815-1835. I can't find the marriage and have no idea when George was born. Just one of many problem spots in my tree.

I have no record of any male BUCHART/BUTCHART/BUTCHARDs in my tree after 1834. Christina married in 1853 and Jean in 1843 but I have not found either in 1841. I have not found a definite death for any of the daughters, or for George or his spouse.

I think I'll get a copy of the birth/baptism record for one of the daughters.

EDIT: I have now found the marriage:

20 Aug 1820 Denny, Stirling
George BUTCHER & Christian HANNA

This is the baptism record:

Christian Gib BUCHART c. 5 Aug 1821 Campsie, Stirling
George BUCHART & Christian HANNA

EDIT: I now have a copy of Christian's baptism record and it says George was a weaver.

Regards,

Dave
 
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Hi Dave,

I am new to all this so bear with me, I hope I am replying to the correct thread. You mentioned that you had connections with a Jean Buchart who married a James Arrol. They had a daughter Agnes Arrol, born 16/1/1862 who married a John Wood. They has 3 children, Jim, Jean and William. (Jean was my grandmother). John Wood was originally from Queenalia in the parish of Costa, Orkney. John Wood was born around 1860 but moved from Orkney to south sometime bewteen 1881 - 1891. As a child I can remember being told that we were related to Sir William Arrol of the Forth Rail Bridge construction. From memory of old family tales I recall that William Wood had at least 2 sons, one of whom (Jim Wood) returned to stay at the family home of Queenalia in Orkney. The other son at sometime ended up in Australia perhaps Adelaide (not 100% sure) I think he married a woman named Gladys. I can remember my grandmother kept in touch with them on a regular basis, but when she died in the 1960 than all contact was then lost.

Perhaps you might find this information helpful and will add further branches to an ever expanding family tree.

Best wishes
Richard
 
Hello Richard,

welcome to FHUK.

Thank you very much for that information. Seems George was a journeyman weaver but I still wonder if that is the full story as to why the children were born in so many different places.

Regards,

Dave
 
Hello Richard,

A marriage between a John WOOD and an Agnes ARROL 1887 Grangemouth, Stirling.

I have looked at the tree of Sir William and I can't see an Agnes of the right generation who could have married John in 1887. So, is there an Agnes missing from the published tree or is Agnes the one from my tree with no connection to Sir William? Or is there a connection I can't see?

From the Paisley Paupers Index in Paisley library I have the parents of James as John ARROL and Ann TYTLER.

Marriage 10 April 1815 (Abbey)
John Arrol of this parish and Ann Tytler of Paisley, were booked and proclaimed in order to marriage.

FR1712 20 May 1815 Low Church, Paisley


Index To Paupers 1839-1883 Series 11 Vol 11/1-11/20
Statement #9168 10 Dec 1857

James Arrol aged 37 ? and wife aged 33
12 Causeyside - Place of Birth Lylesland Abbey ?
Married 14 years ago in Paisley
Parents: John Arrol Ann Tytler
Geo Butchard Christina Hanna

Weaver - Idle 4 weeks 12/- Settlement Abbey

Children: Christina 13 - In mill idle
Ann 11
John 9
James 8 *** [Janet]
Elis. 6
Robert 2
Jean 6mo ***[Jane]


Regards,

Dave
 
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1887 WOOD JOHN ARROL AGNES GRANGEMOUTH /STIRLING 481/0B 0012


1887 Marriages in the District of Grangemouth in the County of Stirling
No 12
Twenty-nineth April at Dundas Street Grangemouth After Banns According to the Forms of the Free Church of Scotland
(Signed) John Wood Painter (Journeyman) Bachelor - 25 - Dundas Street Grangemouth -
(Signed) Agnes Arrol Dressmaker Spinster - 25 - Dundas Street Grangemouth -
William Wood Fisherman Mary Wood M.S. Harper (deceased) -
James Arrol Hand Loom Weaver (deceased) Jane Arrol M.S. Butchart
(Signed) George H. ? Cumaning ? F C Minister
(Signed) Jas. A Young Witness J. Wood Witness
1887 April 30th at Grangemouth John Macdonald Asst. Registrar A. T. Reg (Alex. Tait Registrar)
 
Hello Ron,

Thanks for looking. At the moment I have no idea how that later George might fit.

I was looking for an explanation for the different places of birth for the four daughters. I've not found George in 1841 and I have no idea re his occupation. He could have been a journeyman stonemason or a blacksmith or he could have been in the army. I suppose there is a way of ruling that out by trying to trace the movements of all regiments stationed in Scotland 1815-1835. I can't find the marriage and have no idea when George was born. Just one of many problem spots in my tree.

I have no record of any male BUCHART/BUTCHART/BUTCHARDs in my tree after 1834. Christina married in 1853 and Jean in 1843 but I have not found either in 1841. I have not found a definite death for any of the daughters, or for George or his spouse.

I think I'll get a copy of the birth/baptism record for one of the daughters.

EDIT: I have now found the marriage:

20 Aug 1820 Denny, Stirling
George BUTCHER & Christian HANNA

This is the baptism record:

Christian Gib BUCHART c. 5 Aug 1821 Campsie, Stirling
George BUCHART & Christian HANNA

EDIT: I now have a copy of Christian's baptism record and it says George was a weaver.

Regards,

Dave

Dave,

George Butchart & Christian Hanna were my husband's gg grandparents. George had various jobs in his life, weaver, boiler fireman, shawl seller. He had been in 71st Foot (Highland Light Infantry) seeing action at Nivelle, Nive, Orthes & Toulouse.

I still don't know why he travelled around so much, maybe his time in the army made him restless. He was in the 1841 census but as often his name was written as George Butcher in Highland Lane Paisley (Abbey)

He also appeared that year in the Poor Law records:
Age 45, address Highland Lane, married in 1820, wife died in 1839. He was a fireman (probably keeping boilers or furnaces stoked) with Craig & Donald, at that time Engineers, Millwrights and Machine Makers at 8 Renfrew Street.
Born Glasgow. 7 years in Paisley, since 1834.
He could read, he attended the Church of Scotland, he had been chargeable before to Abbey Parish for I/- (probably per w:eek:.
His parents were dead.
There was one child at home, Janet, 9 years. Children living elsewhere were: Christine aged 19, Jean aged 16 and Elizabeth aged 13, all house servants in Glasgow.
He had applied for relief because he had been bedrid for a month past, when employed he earned 12/- weekly.
Received an injury to his hand 11 weeks ago, admitted to Royal Infirmary (Glasgow) 3 weeks afterwards and was dismissed 3 weeks afterwards. Has been at home since and his thumb was cut off 6 weeks ago since which the rose has attacked his arm and his whole body is in a state of disease and of great exhaustion. (We take 'the rose' to be the flush of rising infection.)
October 1841: the petitioner has been in the Infirmary and his general health is greatly impaired. He still however wants the power of his left hand. His friends have advised him to begin to sell shawls and to obtain a license for that end. He thinks he might be able to do for himself in this way as he was in that way 2 years before with Mr Haiden (John Haiden & Co, Shawl Manufacturers, 9 Marshall's Lane). He requires a licence which will cost 20/- per quarter or 80/- a year. He wishes one quarter paid and his clothes taken out of pawn, which comes to 23/-.

As far as I can tell he died later in the year.

Nuala
 
Hello Nuala,

Thank you very much.

So I was right in thinking he had been in the army. That's why I posted to this board as well hoping someone would find his discharge or other details of his service.

Pity I didn't realise at the time I was in Paisley Library that I needed to check the Index to Paupers book for George. I did find the details for James ARROL.

Regards,

Dave
 
Piece: SCT1841/559 Place: Abbey (Paisley) -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 28 Page: 28
Address: Highland Lane
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BUTCHER George M 45 Engine Keeper Outside Census County (1841)
BUTCHER Jennet F 9 Outside Census County (1841)
 
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