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George Hartley, Castlemaine 1860

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Henry Hartley married Emma Howarth 9 Feb 1857 in Manchester, England
in 1858 their son William Hartley was born "at sea"
in 1860 their son George Hartley was born "near Castlemaine, Australia"
in 1864 their son Henry Hartley was born back in the Manchester area where they stayed for the rest of their lives.
(all birth years calculated from 1871 census)

I would like to know about their trip to Australia and the birth details for George Hartley please

Was there a gold rush or some other reason to entice Henry to go to Victoria for about four years and then come home? In England he was a labourer/brickmaker/labourer in corn mill.

Any details of the family in Australia would be appreciated
Thanks
Elaine
 

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Victoria BMD Index

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj

.pdf copies can be purchased.

HARTLEY Given namesWilliam EventBirth Father's name / Henry Mother's maiden name / Emma (Howarth) Reg. year1858 Reg. no2453

HARTLEY Given namesGeorge EventBirth Father's name /Henry Mother's maiden name / Emma (Howarth) Reg. year1860 Reg. no4545

No indication there that the 1858 birth was a marine one. BMD in other states prefix the reg number to indicate marine or late reg, etc...
 
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Victoria has a separate index.

Only this one appears on the Events at Sea Index

HARTLEY James Ridler Cuzco EventBirth Ship name Cuzco Reg. year1886 Reg. no7387


Also, you can't search the index and get the date of the event as you can with NSW and Queensland BMD.
 
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I'm going to check if there is another Henry Hartley in Victoria in 1850s.

Yes, married to an Elizabeth.

It will be hard to know which is which in references in newspapers.


Found a letter to the Editor of a newspaper but it must be from the other Henry who must have been in the state much longer.


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/


DRUNKARDS.— Henry Hartley, ..

Many such charges over the years but no idea which Henry.

Looks to be the other one as they go beyond 1865.
 
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Index to Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK, NZ and Foreign Ports 1852-1923
Family Name Given Name Age Ship Name Month Year Destination Film_Mth Film_Yr Page
HARTLEY —- INFANT WITH I LIGHTNING JAN 1861 LIVERPOOL JAN 1861 007
HARTLEY —- MRS 32 LIGHTNING JAN 1861 LIVERPOOL JAN 1861 007
HARTLEY HENRY 40 LIGHTNING JAN 1861 LIVERPOOL JAN 1861 007
HARTLEY WM 3 LIGHTNING JAN 1861 LIVERPOOL JAN 1861 007
 

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Index to Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923
Family Name Given Name Age Month Year Ship Port Fiche Page
HARTLEY —- INFANT WITH – - DEC 1857 SHAKSPEARE B 138 004
HARTLEY EMMA 25 - DEC 1857 SHAKSPEARE B 138 004
HARTLEY HENRY 26 - DEC 1857 SHAKSPEARE B 138 004

B= British port of departure

Re 'Shakspeare'

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/66045741

Shakspeare, from Liverpool, 87 days, 516 passengers


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7143718

December 20. - Shakspeare, American ship, 1,820
tons, J. W. Norcross, from Liverpool 22nd September.
Passengers - cabin : Madame Shuter, Madame Pardell ;
and 502 in the second cabin, intermediate, and steerage.
H. T. Wilson and Co., agents.


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7144014
 
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This is great, thanks so much, the court case against the Shakespeare master is fascinating

It is for a cousin of mine who professes to not be interested in family history but is slowly changing her tune now she has grandchildren. Sure she will find the 1860's trip to Australia interesting, imagine setting off on a two month journey to the other side of the world when you're seven months pregnant with your first baby!

Thanks again
Elaine
 
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Hi Elaine.

A copy of the fiche for the arrival in Victoria held by the State Library of NSW. They contain very little additional information but I'll check them one day during February.

Dave
 
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