George HAVINDEN

[DaveHam9]

George Smith Havinden
Age: 28
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Roberts
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 14 Nov 1858
Event Place: St. Peter's Stepney, Middlesex, England
Father's Name: John Havinden
Spouse's Father's Name: James Roberts
Batch: M019688


Deaths Dec Qtr 1914
Havinden George S 84 W.Ham 4a 277


Looking for George in all the census. He is a butcher.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[emeltee]

I can only find him in two Censuses. In 1881 he was living at 52 St Thomas Road, Mile End Old Town

RG11/0486/f62

George S Havinden 52 Bermondsey Butcher
Mary A 42 wife London
George s 20 son Bethnal Green Warehouseman
William J 16 son Telegraphist Messenger
Minnie 12 dau Mile End Old Town Scholar
Kate 8 dau Mile End Old Town Scholar
Rose 3 dau Mile End Old Town

In 1911 he was at 9 Lansdown Road, Forest Gate living with daughter Rose (Rose Alice) and her husband George Bull and family

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Emeltee.

Daughter Many Ann who married George Richard ESSEX is a mystery after abt 1881.

George remarried in 1892 so don't know if Mary Ann continued using Essex or reverted to Havinden. Was hoping she might have been with her father.

1881
RG11 Piece 265 Folio 93 Page 49
Civil Parish: Islington
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Islington
Address: 50 Packington St
[ESSEX]
George R Ossex Head Mar M 27 Printer Compo St Lukes, Middlesex
Mary A Ossex Wife Mar F 21 Bethnal Green, Middlesex


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

See also

http://www.forum.familyhistory.uk.com/showthread.php?t=27578

 

[Ladybird1300]

George in 1871:

Name: George T Havenden
[George T Havinden]
[George T Havinden]
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A Havenden
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Dunstan
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 559
Folio: 126
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
George T Havenden 40
Mary A Havenden 33
Mary A Havenden 11
George Havenden 10
Lousia Havenden 8
William Havenden 6
Minnia Havenden 3
Arthur Havenden 4 Months


e: George S Harrinden
[George S Havinden]
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bermondsey, London, England
Civil Parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:


Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 324
Folio: 38
Page Number: 22
Household schedule number: 172
Household Members:
Name Age
George S Harrinden 70

Interesting, he is a bank messenger porter in this one, but on his own.

Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find George on FS in 1871. Daughter Mary A is probably 11 and George jun should be 10.

 

[Ladybird1300]

Yes Dave I've found it for you on Ancestry above

Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

I'll have to check this one out too in case Mary Ann remarried:

Marriages Dec Qtr 1888
CESANA Louisa Mary Holborn 1b 1136
ESSEX Mary Ann Holborn 1b 1136
HOOPER William John Holborn 1b 1136
Poli George Holborn 1b 1136

Match those and check pob and age for Mary Ann thanks.

 

[Ladybird1300]

This is that marriage:

Name: Mary Ann Essex
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Age: 19
Spouse: William John Hooper
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1888
Parish: Gray's Inn Road Holy Trinity
Borough: Camden
Father Name: George Essex
Spouse Father: William Hooper
Register Type: Parish Register



Looks like the daughter

Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Amanda.

It's not Mary Ann nee Havinden.

I can't find any trace of her after the 1881 census. George is back with his father in 1891 calling himself Unmarried and he remarries in 1892 calling himself a Bachelor.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't tie this family into the one I have in my tree.

Name: Mary Ann Essex
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 3
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Pancras, Middlesex
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Pancras
Sub-District: Gray'S Inn Lane
Parish: Pancras
County: London, Middlesex
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
George Essex Self M 27 Kingsland, Middlesex
Sophia Essex Wife F 28 Pancras, Middlesex
Mary Ann Essex Daughter F 3 Pancras, Middlesex
Samuel Essex Son M 0 Pancras, Middlesex

 

[DaveHam9]

1891
RG12 Piece 176 Folio 77 Page 4
Civil Parish: Islington
County: London
Registration District: Islington
Sub-RD: Highbury
Address:
Richard G Essex Head Mar 67 Printer & Publisher London
Mary J Essex Wife Mar 67 London
George R Essex son Unm 37 Printer - Compositor St Luke's London
Elizabeth A Essex dau Unm 31 Living at home Islington
Alice E Essex dau Unm 27 Living at home Islington
Elizabeth M Middleton 11 Living at grandfather's Holoway

George Richard Essex
Age: 38
Spouse Name: Eliza Seabourne
Spouse Age: 34
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Sep 1892
Parish: Tottenham St Ann
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: Richard George Essex
Spouse Father: Thomas Seabourne
Register Type: Parish Register

 

[Ladybird1300]

I think this is them in 1891:

ame: Mary A Havenden
[Mary A Havinden]
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Geo S Havenden
Gender: Female
Where born: E C, London, England
Civil Parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Stepney
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 299
Folio: 8
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Geo S Havenden 60
Mary A Havenden 52
Geo S Havenden 30
Wm Jas Havenden 26
Minnie Havenden 22
Kate Havenden 18
Rose Havenden 13
Alice Essex 4
Richard Wells 20
Kate Keenes 18


George is now a furniture packer ( house moving I presume) and they have a granddaughter with them Alice Essex aged four.

Amanda

 

[Ladybird1300]

If it's them, this is her death:

ame: Mary Ann Havinden
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Stepney
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 273


Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Amanda.


I'm not at all sure how grand daughter Alice fits in yet. I had no children for George and Mary Ann.

It's the daughter Mary Ann born 1859 I can't find after 1881.

Births Dec 1886
Essex Alice Hackney 1b 601

Births Sep 1887
ESSEX Alice Maud M Lambeth 1d 540

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

So Mary Ann was alive around 1887. George was back with his father in 1891 listed as unmarried and remarried in 1892. I have a copy and he is down as a Bachelor.

Alice is with Mary Ann's parents and no trace of a death for Mary Ann.

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't know which Alice yet belongs in my tree.

Marriages Dec 1911
Essex Alice M M St George Hanover Square 1a 965
HOLBEIN AMBROSE H St. Geo. h.sQ 1a 965
Kelly Matilda L E St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 965
Walters Henry C P St George Hanover Square 1a 965

 

[DaveHam9]

Hard to tell.

Deaths Dec 1886
ESSEX Alice 0 Hackney 1b 357

Just Alice in 1891.

Oh. Born Manchester ??

Births Jun 1887
Essex Alice Rose T Salford 8d 142

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't see a marriage or a death for Alice or a death for Mary Ann in Lancs.

I can't see Alice in FS in 1901.