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George William Harris Smith

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Born about 1894 possibly in Nicholson near Bairnsdale, Victoria, Australia.
Served 4th Light Horse in WW1
Died during WW2
I am looking for criminal records for attempted rape and assault, most probably during the twenties.
At this time he lived in Neutral Bay, Sydney. His wife was Adeline Victoria Smith.
Their son was Leonard Harold O'Connor Smith.
Any help will be appreciated.
 

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It appears this may be your Adeline's death notice index. Added it just in case it is of interest to you.

SMITH Adeline Victoria
Death notice
Date 21 June 1979
Age 93
At Neutral Bay
Published Sydney morning Herald 27 June 1979
 
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Hi Hazell

I doubt the George Harris SMITH age 21 in 1915 ww1 service record is Adeline Victoria's husband. She died in 1979 aged 93. (born abt 1886)

SMH Wednesday, June 27, 1979 - Death Notice
SMITH Adeline Victoria – June 21 1979,
at a private nursing home, Neutral Bay,
dearly beloved wife of the late
George William Smith, loved mother of
George, Arthur, Leonard, Adeline,
and John (deceased), mother-in-law
and grandmother and great-grandmother
of their families, loved sister of Johnny,
Stella and Florrie.
Aged 93 years.

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1949
Name: George W M Smith
Spouse Name: Adeline V Matheson
Marriage Date: 1908
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: St Leonards, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Number: 12020

NSW Births Index (index ends at 1909)
40286/1908 SMITH GEORGE W M GEORGE W M ADELINE V ST LEONARDS

There is only one George William Morris HARRIS throughout the E/R'S and this is Adeline's son.
Do you need all the Electorals Rolls for Adeline.

WW2 Service Record
Private
GEORGE WILLIAM MORRIS SMITH
NX4136
Service Australian Army
Date of Birth 4 August 1908
Place of Birth NORTH SYDNEY, NSW
Date of Enlistment 26 October 1939
Locality on Enlistment NEUTRAL BAY, NSW
Place of Enlistment NORTH SYDNEY, NSW
Next of Kin SMITH, GEORGE
Date of Discharge 8 January 1940
Posting at Discharge 2/1 Battalion


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Hi Hazell

I was starting to think this bloke never existed but just found him in 1913.

1913 N.S.W Electoral Roll - WILLOUGHBY—LANE COVE ROAD, NORTH SYDNEY POLLING-PLACE
1657 SMITH Adeline Victoria 44 Euroka-street domestic duties
1673 SMITH George William Harris 44 Euroka-street labourer

I can't find him in later Electoral Rolls, I'm wondering if he changed HARRIS to NORRIS.

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH Arthur Leslie 63 Undercliff street motor-driver
SMITH George William Morris 63 Undercliff street labourer
SMITH George William Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger
SMITH John Henry 63 Undercliff street labourer
SMITH Leonard Harold O’Connor 63 Undercliff street labourer

First World War Embarkation Roll
George William Norris Smith
Service number: 5437
Rank: Private
Roll title: 3 Infantry Battalion - 13 to 23 Reinforcements (December 1915 - November 1916)
Conflict: First World War, 1914-1918
Date of embarkation: 14 April 1916
Place of embarkation: Sydney
Ship embarked on: HMAT Ceramic
Ship number: A40
Occupation: Lighterman
Age: 30
Address: 210 West Street, North Sydney
Next of kin: Wife, Mrs. A. V. Smith

N.S.W Death Index
66659/1972 SMITH GEORGE WILLIAM N DIED AT NEUTRAL BAY AGED 89 YRS ST LEONARDS

SMH Saturday, November 11, 1972 - Death Notice
SMITH George William Norris – November 9 1972,
At hospital, late of Neutral Bay, beloved husband of
Adeline, loved father of George, Arthur, Len and Adeline,
and loved grandfather of Christina and Margaret.


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The Sydney Morning Herald Saturday 31 December 1921
ASSAULT ON POLICE.
At North Sydney Police Court, George William Norrie Smith, 35, who pleaded guilty, was sentenced to 14 days' hard labour for assaulting Constable A. L. West, on December 23 while in the execution of his duty. Smith was also fined 10/ or three days for be-having in a riotous manner. The constable stated in evidence that at 5.40 p.m. on Friday last defendant challenged another man to fight him in Military-road, Neutral Bay. On the combat being refused, Smith followed the man, and repeated the challenge in a loud voice. Persisting in his conduct, the constable took him into custody, and on the way to the station was struck violently in the face by accused. The magistrate, Mr. Hawkins, S.M., said if defendant had not been a first offender in an offence of that character he would have sent him to gaol for three months.

Forgot to add link
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

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It appears this may be your Adeline's death notice index. Added it just in case it is of interest to you.

SMITH Adeline Victoria
Death notice
Date 21 June 1979
Age 93
At Neutral Bay
Published Sydney morning Herald 27 June 1979
Thank you. All information gladly received.

Doreen.
 

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Hi Hazell

The Sydney Morning Herald Saturday 31 December 1921
ASSAULT ON POLICE.
At North Sydney Police Court, George William Norrie Smith, 35, who pleaded guilty, was sentenced to 14 days' hard labour for assaulting Constable A. L. West, on December 23 while in the execution of his duty. Smith was also fined 10/ or three days for be-having in a riotous manner. The constable stated in evidence that at 5.40 p.m. on Friday last defendant challenged another man to fight him in Military-road, Neutral Bay. On the combat being refused, Smith followed the man, and repeated the challenge in a loud voice. Persisting in his conduct, the constable took him into custody, and on the way to the station was struck violently in the face by accused. The magistrate, Mr. Hawkins, S.M., said if defendant had not been a first offender in an offence of that character he would have sent him to gaol for three months.

Forgot to add link
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

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Hi Crankypants,

Thanks for all the information. I've certainly had to rethink my ideas on the family. I'm writing a biography on Leonard Harold O'Connor Smith and need his family background. I had no idea he had brothers and a sister. A handwritten note on Len's Defence Service Records states 'father deceased' and next of kin changed to mother. The death notice shows this to be incorrect. Interesting. Was he in prison? I'm now thinking that the attempted rape and assault may have taken place much later than I thought. Maybe in the thirties. I've seen the 'Harris' written as Horris, Morris and Norris.
Another item of interest. The John (deceased) in Adeline's death notice. Was he a commando killed in WW2?
Yes please. All the electoral rolls for Adeline would be extremely helpful.

Again my thanks for your help.

Hazell.
 
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SMH Friday, July 05, 1957 – Death Notice
SMITH John Henry (Jack) – July 4 1957
(suddenly), at Neutral Bay, beloved son
of Mr. & Mrs. G. Smith, and brother of
George, Arthur, Len and Adelaide, aged 42
years. R.I.P.

1936, 1943 & 1954 George William Norris. 1930 & 1933 is listed as George Henry Norris. Can't find him in 1949.

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George Henry Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger
SMITH George William Morris 63 Undercliff street labourer

1933 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Narrabeen
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George Henry Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger

1933 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Robertson
Subdistrict: Gosford
SMITH George William Morris Healy street Gosford labourer

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH Arthur Leslie 63 Undercliff street motor-driver
SMITH George William Morris 63 Undercliff street labourer
SMITH George William Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger
SMITH John Henry 63 Undercliff street labourer
SMITH Leonard Harold O’Connor 63 Undercliff street labourer

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George William Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger
SMITH John Henry 63 Undercliff street labourer

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Leonard Harold O’Connor 11 Bydown street steward

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Arthur Leslie 65 Undercliff street motor-driver
SMITH Bessie Lena 65 Undercliff street home duties

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Daphne Joyce 77 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George William Morris 77 Undercliff street labourer

1949 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties

1949 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Newcastle
Subdistrict: Newcastle
SMITH Daphne Joyce 163 Union street Merewether home duties
SMITH George William Morris 163 Union street painter

1949 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Arthur Leslie 65 Undercliff street motor-driver
SMITH Bessie Lena 65 Undercliff street home duties

1949 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: MacKellar
Subdistrict: Narrabeen
SMITH Leonard Harold O’Connor 166 Ocean street, machine operator

1954 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George William Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger

1954 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Arthur Leslie 65 Undercliff street motor-driver
SMITH Bessie Lena 65 Undercliff street home duties

1954 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: MacKellar
Subdistrict: Narrabeen
SMITH Leonard Harold O’Connor 38 Gondola rd N’been Nth labourer

(1949 E/R there are 37 John Henry SMITH’s, none in Neutral Bay). 1954 there are 32. Too difficult to prove which one is your John.

I haven't found anything more for G.W.N. SMITH re criminal reports.

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Hi Hazell

SMH Friday, July 05, 1957 – Death Notice
SMITH John Henry (Jack) – July 4 1957
(suddenly), at Neutral Bay, beloved son
of Mr. & Mrs. G. Smith, and brother of
George, Arthur, Len and Adelaide, aged 42
years. R.I.P.

1936, 1943 & 1954 George William Norris. 1930 & 1933 is listed as George Henry Norris. Can't find him in 1949.

1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George Henry Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger
SMITH George William Morris 63 Undercliff street labourer

1933 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Narrabeen
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George Henry Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger

1933 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Robertson
Subdistrict: Gosford
SMITH George William Morris Healy street Gosford labourer

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH Arthur Leslie 63 Undercliff street motor-driver
SMITH George William Morris 63 Undercliff street labourer
SMITH George William Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger
SMITH John Henry 63 Undercliff street labourer
SMITH Leonard Harold O’Connor 63 Undercliff street labourer

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George William Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger
SMITH John Henry 63 Undercliff street labourer

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Leonard Harold O’Connor 11 Bydown street steward

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Arthur Leslie 65 Undercliff street motor-driver
SMITH Bessie Lena 65 Undercliff street home duties

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Daphne Joyce 77 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George William Morris 77 Undercliff street labourer

1949 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties

1949 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Newcastle
Subdistrict: Newcastle
SMITH Daphne Joyce 163 Union street Merewether home duties
SMITH George William Morris 163 Union street painter

1949 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Arthur Leslie 65 Undercliff street motor-driver
SMITH Bessie Lena 65 Undercliff street home duties

1949 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: MacKellar
Subdistrict: Narrabeen
SMITH Leonard Harold O’Connor 166 Ocean street, machine operator

1954 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Adeline Victoria 63 Undercliff street home duties
SMITH George William Norris 63 Undercliff street rigger

1954 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: Warringah
Subdistrict: Neutral Bay
SMITH Arthur Leslie 65 Undercliff street motor-driver
SMITH Bessie Lena 65 Undercliff street home duties

1954 N.S.W Electoral Roll
District: MacKellar
Subdistrict: Narrabeen
SMITH Leonard Harold O’Connor 38 Gondola rd N’been Nth labourer

(1949 E/R there are 37 John Henry SMITH’s, none in Neutral Bay). 1954 there are 32. Too difficult to prove which one is your John.

I haven't found anything more for G.W.N. SMITH re criminal reports.

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Hi crankypants,

Thanks again for all your help. With the electoral role for 1936 showing Len at 63 Undercliffe Street and the 1943 electoral role showing him at 11 Bydown Street, I think this has narrowed the potential dates for the attack to between these dates. Probably earlier rather than later. Is there any way to find out who else lived at a particular address. i.e. 11 Bydown Street and 166 Ocean Street, Narrabeen (he and his 'adoptive' family moved here about 1946 and he lived there until his death in 1999). He had home leave from the army 15/2/43 to 11/3/43. He had spoken of getting compassionate leave when Jack was killed, I think in Italy. He regarded Jack as a brother. Jack was the adopted son of the couple who took Len in. Len absolutely adored his ádoptive' family.

He enlisted twice, the first time being 10/10/39 at North Sydney and here he noted his mother as next of kin. He was invalided out almost immediately. Next he enlisted in Paddington 16/7/40 and this time noted his father as next of kin. Although he noted his address as that of his biological family I think he may have been living at Bydown Street.

Except when he received a letter asking him to make a will and leave them any outstanding pay, I am under the impression that there was no contact with his biological family either during or after the war. Certainly in the almost 30 years I knew him there was never mention of them, until just before his death. Then he told me why.

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Hi Hazell

Unfortunately the Electoral rolls can only be searched by surname. It would be everyone's dream if it were possible to search by address only. It would make for interesting reading seeing who was shacking up with who.:eek:redf)

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Hello Hazell,

Service Record
Name SMITH, JOHN HENRY
Service Australian Army
Service Number NX55912
Date of Birth 7 Apr 1915
Place of Birth SYDNEY, NSW
Date of Enlistment 2 Jul 1940
Locality on Enlistment NEUTRAL BAY, NSW
Place of Enlistment PADDINGTON, NSW
Next of Kin SMITH, GEORGE
Date of Discharge 11 May 1945
Rank Private
Posting at Discharge 2/3 Pioneer Battalion
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

I can't see John on the Roll of Honour. :confused:


EDIT: Death 18961/1957 SMITH JOHN HENRY GEORGE WILLIAM N ADELINE VICTORIA CHATSWOOD

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Hi Hazell

Unfortunately the Electoral rolls can only be searched by surname. It would be everyone's dream if it were possible to search by address only. It would make for interesting reading seeing who was shacking up with who.:eek:redf)

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Too right!

I've been wracking my brain to remember the surname of Len's 'adoptive' family. He always referred to them as Mom and Pop. I believe they legally adopted Jack, and Len joined the family years later. It was a long shot to think that Jack whoever could have been Len's biological brother.

When 'Mom and Pop' died, Len didn't change the name for the electricity account. Maybe the Electricity people keep records.

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Hazell (Screen name) (Doreen to her friends).
 

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Hello Hazell,

Service Record
Name SMITH, JOHN HENRY
Service Australian Army
Service Number NX55912
Date of Birth 7 Apr 1915
Place of Birth SYDNEY, NSW
Date of Enlistment 2 Jul 1940
Locality on Enlistment NEUTRAL BAY, NSW
Place of Enlistment PADDINGTON, NSW
Next of Kin SMITH, GEORGE
Date of Discharge 11 May 1945
Rank Private
Posting at Discharge 2/3 Pioneer Battalion
WW2 Honours and Gallantry None for display
Prisoner of War No

I can't see John on the Roll of Honour. :confused:


EDIT: Death 18961/1957 SMITH JOHN HENRY GEORGE WILLIAM N ADELINE VICTORIA CHATSWOOD

Regards,

Dave
Hi Dave,

There seem to be two Johns One was Len's biological brother, the one you have kindly sent information about. I think the John (Jack) I am looking for has a different surname. I was told he was legally adopted by the couple who took Len in. I have seen accounts still bearing the name, but try as I will I just can't recall what that name was. Except that it was a short name.

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Hello Doreen,

I simply looked first for a John Henry SMITH living at the same address in Electoral Roll who was in the army and who died during WW II. I posted one with next of kin = George thinking it was a possible match. With the SMITH name and John Henry also being so common there might be no connection.

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