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GILLIES family in Ayr

DaveHam9

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Hello,

name: Robert Young Gillies
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 26 Mar 1855
birthplace: IRVINE,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Malcolm Gillies
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Galt
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11595-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

I'd like a look up please for the family in 1861.



:2fun:

Piece: SCT1841/595 Place: Irvine -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Irvine Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Irvine
Folio: 3 Page: 15
Address: High Street West Side
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
YOUNG William M 38 Hand Loom Weaver Ayrshire
YOUNG Agness F 40 Ayrshire
YOUNG John M 10 Hand Loom Weaver Ayrshire
YOUNG Janet F 8 Ayrshire
YOUNG James M 5 Ayrshire
YOUNG Agness F 2 Ayrshire
GILLIES Malcolm M 16 Hand Loom Weaver Ayrshire


Malcolm Gillies
Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910
marriage: 17 May 1845 Irvine,​Ayr,​Scotland
spouse: Mary Galt

I can't find Malcolm in 1851.

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1861 Scotland.

Name: Robert Gillies
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Malcolm Gillies
Mother's Name: Mary Gillies
Gender: Male
Where born: Irvine, Ayrshire
Registration number: 595
Registration district: Irvine
Civil parish: Irvine
County: Ayrshire
Address: Quarry Lane
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 83
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1861_85
Household Members:
Name Age
Malcolm Gillies 36. Kilwinning. Occ.Cotton weaver.
Mary Gillies 36. Fallark, Ayrshire. (Falkirk).??
Jane Gillies 11
John Gillies 8
Robert Gillies 6
William Gillies 3
Malcolm Gillies 1


Steve.:)
 

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Hello Steve,

Thank you very much.


Piece: SCT1851/595 Place: Ayr -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Irvine Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Irvine
Folio: 0 Page: 15 Schedule: 68
Address: Burns Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GILLIES Malcom Head M M 26 Handloom Weaver Cotton Ayrshire - Kilwinning
GILLIES Mary Wife M F 26 Pirn Winder Cotton Ayrshire - Dundonald
GILLIES Agnes Dau - F 4 Ayrshire - Irvine
GILLIES Janet Dau - F 1 Ayrshire - Irvine


I'd like a look up please for Malcolm and family in 1871.

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Hi Dave

Looks as though they may have moved south:
RG10/711/55/22. ED:14
Name: Malcolm Gillies
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Gillies
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Wandsworth All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
Occ: Watchman or waterman?
Mary Gillies 45
Robert Gillies 16
William Gillies 14
Malcolm Gillies 12
Richard Gillies 9
Mary Gillies 7
Nelbrick Gillies 2

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Hello Geoff,

Thank you very much.

That's a surprise. I think I'm right with Robert & Mary GALT and not Mary DUNLOP. Some of the tree seems to be correct. More work is required.

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This does not look like the same family:

1881
RG11 piece/folio: 1708 / 72 page 13
name: Malcolm Gillies
age: 61
gender: Male
birth year: 1820
birthplace: Scotland
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Asst Loco Supt Railway
address: 4 Waddington Ter Windmill Lane
census place: West Ham, Essex, England
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Malcolm Gillies M 61 Scotland
wife Catherine Gillies F 57 Scotland
son James Gillies M 24 Scotland
son Malcolm Gillies M 22 Scotland
servant Mary A Penn F 17 Harrow, Middlesex, England


I can't see a death for Malcolm b. abt 1825, in England 1871-1881.

One tree has spouse as Mary GATH and no death for Malcolm.

Two interesting daughters listed after Neddie:

Naomi Driver 1873-

Births Mar 1873
DRIVER Naomi Emily Wandsworth 1d 662

Ellen Driver 1875-

Births Dec 1874
Driver Ellen Martha Wandsworth 1d 674


Another tree has Malcolm in 1891 in Wandsworth but Mary only up to 1871 in Wandsworth but again no death for either.
 
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Hi Dave

1881 - RG11/658/64/43
Name: Mary Gillies
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Warple House
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED: 15
Mary Gillies, dau, 17, b. Wandsworth
Neri (Maria) Gillies, son, 12, b. Wandsworth, baker's boy [this is probably Nelbrick aged 2 in 1871]
Underneath them on the original (same address) is:
Markham Gillies, mar., b. abt 1824 Scotland, Head, Wandsworth, London, labourer
Ellen Thompson, wid., b. abt 1817 Scotland, Mother in Law, Wandsworth, London

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Was pondering that meself...

I can only assume there is an enumeration error, i.e. misspell of Malcolm and because of that he has possibly been put at the bottom of the entries. Markham and Mary are described as mar., both at same address and no obvious death for Malcolm :rolleyes:

I must pass, on Ellen. Just checking the 1891 census.

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1891 - RG12/447/87/26
Them Drivers' back :2fun:
Name: Malcom Gillies
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Gillies
Mother's Name: Naomi Driver
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Faiths
Town: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Warple Road
Occupation: Gen Lab
Condition as to marriage: Mar
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED: 15
Mary Gillies 66
Neddie Gillies 22 [Nelbrick gets another handle] :rolleyes:
David White 27, lodger
Naomi Driver, 43
Naomi Driver, 18
Ellen Driver, 16
On the original, the Driver's are at 6 Warple Road.

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Thanks Geoff.

This is getting rather odd. :)

Mother's Name: Naomi Driver
Age and occupation didn't seem to fit for 'Markham' but I suppose that is Malcolm.

Yes, one tree had the name as Neddie.

One tree lists them as Malcolm's daughters:

Naomi Driver 1873-

Births Mar 1873
DRIVER Naomi Emily Wandsworth 1d 662

Ellen Driver 1875-

Births Dec 1874
Driver Ellen Martha Wandsworth 1d 674

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There is a possible death for Malcolm:
Q1 1901 Malcolm Gillies aged 76, Wandsworth, 1d, 380.

Just checking Mary's death, there is one with an age discrepancy.

There are some odd signs, maybe Malcolm married a 2nd Mary at some point, that we've overlooked. Though there have been a few errors to be fair.

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Thanks Geoff.

I can't find any tree that lists Malcolm's parents.

One tree says Mary DUNLOP and a few have GATH but most just have Mary.

I agree we must have missed something. :)

NSW death 15505/1934 GILLIES ROBERT - ROBERT - MARY - BURWOOD

One tree had Robert & Mary DUNLOP and I moved from that to Malcolm & Mary GALT/GATH.
 
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Obituary say born Irvine, Ayr and age at death 80 in 1934.

Looking in SP this is the only one I can see who fits:

name: Robert Young Gillies
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 26 Mar 1855
birthplace: IRVINE,AYR,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Malcolm Gillies
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Galt
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11595-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

It's still possible that is a different Robert but have to prove it.


Going back to the tree with Mary DUNLOP it shows Robert born 1853 East Lothian which does not fit with the obit. Father as Robert born 1830 East Lothian. No death for Robert senior or Mary.
 
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Piece: SCT1851/715 Place: Ormiston -East Lothian Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Ormiston Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 3 Schedule: 6
Address: High Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CLAPPERTON Mary Servnt U F 35 House Servant East Lothian - Dunbar
BROWN Jane Servnt U F 19 House Servant Midlothian - Pathhead
GILLIES Robert Servnt U M 20 Farm Labourer East Lothian - Ormiston
 

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Yeah...
There is a minor case for Mary Dunlop b. abt. 1826 also of Irvine, though she is never mentioned again. Were as Mary Galt is mentioned and b. abt. 1826.

Robert Young Gillies also appears to meets the requirements.

I think the Robert from East Lothian/Dunbar can be discounted, being on the East Coast, Ayrshire being West. There haven't been any references to suggest other than Ayrshire.

There are quite a few Anc. trees with wild imaginations :2fun: just nosing those those.

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Back to this:

Piece: SCT1851/605 Place: Ayr -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: Maybole Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Maybole
Folio: 0 Page: 12 Schedule: 0
Address: Blackbyres
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GILLIES Robert Head M M 27 Farmer 150ac Emp 3lab Ayrshire - Irvine Probably scedule 44
GILLIES Mary Wife M F 29 - Ayrshire - Irvine
GILLIES Mary Dau U F 2 - Ayrshire - Maybole
CRAIG James Servnt U M 30 Farm Servant Ayrshire - Maybole
Page: 0/13
MCNEILLY John Servnt U M 52 Farm Servant Ayrshire - Ballantrae
KENNEDY John Servnt U M 16 Farm Servant Ayrshire - Maybole
MCMILLAN Elizabeth Servnt U F 40 House Servant Wigtownshire - Kirkmaiden
CLYDESDALE Mary Servnt U F 20 House Servant Ayrshire - Maybole


I will get a copy of the 1855 birth for Robert. Just hope it has mother's maiden name on it. Being 1855 it should list number of siblings.

And I will check now if there is a record on SP for Mary b. abt 1849.

3x Mary in Ayr but none in Maybole or Irvine.

None in Ayr 1847-1850 with parents Robert & Mary.

Looks as though there is no reg for Mary. So possibly no reg if they had a son Robert in 1853.

The three are:

Mary Gillies
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 20 Oct 1848 ,​ Dreghorn,​ Ayr,​ Scotland
christening: ,​ DREGHORN,​ AYR,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1848 Dreghorn,​ Ayrshire,​ Scotland
parents: David Gillies,​ Elizabeth Tannock

Mary Gillies
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 30 Dec 1847
christening: 06 Feb 1848 ,​ STEWARTON,​ AYR,​ SCOTLAND
residence: 1847 Stewarton,​ Ayrshire,​ Scotland
parents: James Gillies,​ Margaret Miller

Mary Gillies
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 17 Oct 1849 DALMELLINGTON,​AYR,​SCOTLAND
parents: Hugh Gillies,​ Margaret Dick
 
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I think your post #1 and Steve's 1861 census are compatible. There are rumblings of something not quite right, especially from 1871. However, on balance, there is nothing more concrete than what we have.

Robert's birth cert. would certainly help, especially as you say if it has his mother's maiden name, siblings would be a bonus.

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Here is an example Geoff of a 1855 birth reg:

1855 Births in the Parish of Abbey in the Burgh of Paisley Registered by Robert Waterston
No 36 - Angel, Mary Clark (Present) - Female - 1855 February Nineteenth 9h. 0m. A.M. - 3 Neilson street Paisley - Samuel Angel Labourer (Presently in Australia) 28 Years, Paisley - 1847 [1846] Paisley, 1 Boy Living, 2 Boys and 1 Girl deceased - Janet Angel Maiden Name Arrol Her 5th child, 28 years Paisley - ? Clark Grandmother - 1855 February 23rd at Paisley Robert Waterston Registrar
 

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Wow!

Is that what's called DADE record?

Very informative. I'm not really too well up on Scottish records. Pity there isn't a free aspect to some of it, as in England & Wales.

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