Gladys Dorothy Pratt Adoption

[Ladybird1300]

My husband's grandmother was adopted but not officially as it was about 1890. When she married in 1907 she was using her adopted father's name which was Joseph William Payne b1838.
I don't know much about adoption, official or otherwise. It doesn't look as though her birth was registered which would have been abt 1889 St Pancras, she is in the 1891 census which tells us she was adopted, Gladys or Dorothy as she was known died in 1978.

Will I find a birth for her?? As it's been more than 100 years I thought the information may be out there now?? I don't have much experience with adoption so I don't know what information there will be about her birth family??

Many thanks
Amanda

 

[gibbo]

Age would be out a tad but it's the only birth i could find anywhere near it.

PRATT, DOROTHY GLADYS Mother's maiden name - FEARFIELD
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 473

IF it is her she has a older sister

PRATT, ELEANOR HILDA Mother's maiden name - FEARFIELD
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 475

They were the only births i could find, i couldn't find a marriage between Pratt and Fearfield to see if there was a death for the mother before 1891.
Still looking.

 

[Ladybird1300]

Thanks Gibbo, but I think she married in 1904 in Hackney. Gladys or Dorothy married John Stacey St Pancras 1907 as Dorothy Payne her adopted name.

Amanda

 

[gibbo]

Which one married in 1904?

I was looking for a marriage for Pratt and Fearfield to get a first name and check for deaths of the mother, might be why Gladys/ Dorothy was raised by the Paynes.

 

[Ladybird1300]

Which one married in 1904?

I was looking for a marriage for Pratt and Fearfield to get a first name and check for deaths of the mother, might be why Gladys/ Dorothy was raised by the Paynes.

The one you were looking at, she married either Henry John Mason or Charles Herbert Reilly

Amanda

 

[Bootzy]

London School of Admissions has a Gladys Pratt with name of parent or Guardian as Elizabeth Payne of 119 Harrison street – Camden – her birth shows as 6 June 1889 – no previous school – to 17 June 1897 at Prospect Terrace School

1901 census St Pancras London for 119 Harrison street
Joseph W Payne 63 Engineer Lab
Elizabeth wife 61
Gladys Pratt adopted daug 12

1911 census has Elizabeth Payne a widow staying with John & Dorothy Stacey at 83 Harrison street.

Wed 23 June 1920 St Pancras Worhouse Register has a John Stacey b 1880 with Dorothy b 1889 and 2 children John Daniel (baptised Oct 17 1909 St Peter Regent Square) & Dorothy (baptised 15 Sept 1911- St Peter Regent Square) had an evening meal there

1939 – Islington
John Stacey b 19 June 1881 silversmith not working with Gladys D wife b 6 June 1890 and Lilian B Spencer nee Stacey b 22 April 1922 – engraver printing works – 469 Liverpool road.
Lilian Barbara Stacey married July 1942 Islington to Reginald J Spencer & she died March 2004 Bedford age 81


The Dorothy Gladys Pratt that married 8 Sept 1904 at St Olave Newington to Charles Herbert Reilly (uni professor) & has father as James Jenam Pratt – baptism for her 11 Feb 1885 to James Jurrad & Eleanor Mary Pratt – she died 9 Oct 1939 - so not your Dorothy/Gladys..

the birth that Gibbo found for Eleanor Hilda is interesting though as there is a baptism for a Eleanor Hilda b April 7th & baptised July 11 1880 at St Mary Stoke Newington to James Jerom and Eleanor Mary Pratt – she married a Robert Clifford Gosnell (Solicitor) and died 3 July 1950

James Jerram Pratt married Eleanor Mary Fearfield Dec qtr 1878 Shardlow (Shardlow spans the boundaries of the counties of Leicestershire, Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire )
James & Eleanor had
Eleanor Hilda (1880-1950) – married Robert Clifford Gosnell (1882-1956) – 3 children
Dorothy Gladys (1885-1939) – married 1904 Charles Herbert Reilly (1874-1948) – 3 children
Gwendoline Mary (21 June1888-1982) – never married – became a Doctor


Joseph William Payne married Elizabeth Cooper 24 Dec 1866 St Pancras – Elizabeth was a widow – her father was George Coates

regards Val

 

[Ladybird1300]

London School of Admissions has a Gladys Pratt with name of parent or Guardian as Elizabeth Payne of 119 Harrison street – Camden – her birth shows as 6 June 1889 – no previous school – to 17 June 1897 at Prospect Terrace School

1901 census St Pancras London for 119 Harrison street
Joseph W Payne 63 Engineer Lab
Elizabeth wife 61
Gladys Pratt adopted daug 12

1911 census has Elizabeth Payne a widow staying with John & Dorothy Stacey at 83 Harrison street.

Wed 23 June 1920 St Pancras Worhouse Register has a John Stacey b 1880 with Dorothy b 1889 and 2 children John Daniel (baptised Oct 17 1909 St Peter Regent Square) & Dorothy (baptised 15 Sept 1911- St Peter Regent Square) had an evening meal there

1939 – Islington
John Stacey b 19 June 1881 silversmith not working with Gladys D wife b 6 June 1890 and Lilian B Spencer nee Stacey b 22 April 1922 – engraver printing works – 469 Liverpool road.
Lilian Barbara Stacey married July 1942 Islington to Reginald J Spencer & she died March 2004 Bedford age 81


The Dorothy Gladys Pratt that married 8 Sept 1904 at St Olave Newington to Charles Herbert Reilly (uni professor) & has father as James Jenam Pratt – baptism for her 11 Feb 1885 to James Jurrad & Eleanor Mary Pratt – she died 9 Oct 1939 - so not your Dorothy/Gladys..

the birth that Gibbo found for Eleanor Hilda is interesting though as there is a baptism for a Eleanor Hilda b April 7th & baptised July 11 1880 at St Mary Stoke Newington to James Jerom and Eleanor Mary Pratt – she married a Robert Clifford Gosnell (Solicitor) and died 3 July 1950

James Jerram Pratt married Eleanor Mary Fearfield Dec qtr 1878 Shardlow (Shardlow spans the boundaries of the counties of Leicestershire, Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire )
James & Eleanor had
Eleanor Hilda (1880-1950) – married Robert Clifford Gosnell (1882-1956) – 3 children
Dorothy Gladys (1885-1939) – married 1904 Charles Herbert Reilly (1874-1948) – 3 children
Gwendoline Mary (21 June1888-1982) – never married – became a Doctor


Joseph William Payne married Elizabeth Cooper 24 Dec 1866 St Pancras – Elizabeth was a widow – her father was George Coates

regards Val

Thank you for the information which I already have

London School of Admissions has a Gladys Pratt with name of parent or Guardian as Elizabeth Payne of 119 Harrison street – Camden – her birth shows as 6 June 1889 – no previous school – to 17 June 1897 at Prospect Terrace School

1901 census St Pancras London for 119 Harrison street
Joseph W Payne 63 Engineer Lab
Elizabeth wife 61
Gladys Pratt adopted daug 12

1911 census has Elizabeth Payne a widow staying with John & Dorothy Stacey at 83 Harrison street.

Wed 23 June 1920 St Pancras Worhouse Register has a John Stacey b 1880 with Dorothy b 1889 and 2 children John Daniel (baptised Oct 17 1909 St Peter Regent Square) & Dorothy (baptised 15 Sept 1911- St Peter Regent Square) had an evening meal there

1939 – Islington
John Stacey b 19 June 1881 silversmith not working with Gladys D wife b 6 June 1890 and Lilian B Spencer nee Stacey b 22 April 1922 – engraver printing works – 469 Liverpool road.
Lilian Barbara Stacey married July 1942 Islington to Reginald J Spencer & she died March 2004 Bedford age 81


The Dorothy Gladys Pratt that married 8 Sept 1904 at St Olave Newington to Charles Herbert Reilly (uni professor) & has father as James Jenam Pratt – baptism for her 11 Feb 1885 to James Jurrad & Eleanor Mary Pratt – she died 9 Oct 1939 - so not your Dorothy/Gladys..

the birth that Gibbo found for Eleanor Hilda is interesting though as there is a baptism for a Eleanor Hilda b April 7th & baptised July 11 1880 at St Mary Stoke Newington to James Jerom and Eleanor Mary Pratt – she married a Robert Clifford Gosnell (Solicitor) and died 3 July 1950

James Jerram Pratt married Eleanor Mary Fearfield Dec qtr 1878 Shardlow (Shardlow spans the boundaries of the counties of Leicestershire, Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire )
James & Eleanor had
Eleanor Hilda (1880-1950) – married Robert Clifford Gosnell (1882-1956) – 3 children
Dorothy Gladys (1885-1939) – married 1904 Charles Herbert Reilly (1874-1948) – 3 children
Gwendoline Mary (21 June1888-1982) – never married – became a Doctor


Joseph William Payne married Elizabeth Cooper 24 Dec 1866 St Pancras – Elizabeth was a widow – her father was George Coates

regards Val

Thanks Val and I have the information for Joseph, Elizabeth and John, but I just can't get passed Gladys' birth. I'll keep an open mind with that

Amanda