GLENDINNING family in Dumfries

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

James GLENDINNING & Agness SCOTT
Marriage: 16 Jun 1865 Blythswood, Lanark

1881
RG11 Piece 1358 Folio 79 Page 8
Harrow On The Hill
County: Middlesex
Address: 2 Arthur Cottage Siding Road
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Occupation Birthplace Disability
James GLENDINNING Head 41 Farm Labourer Dumfriesh, Scotland
Agnes S. GLENDINNING Wife 35 Selkirk, Scotland
William GLENDINNING Son 16 Plumbers Labourer Glasgow, Scotland
John GLENDINNING Son 13 Labourer Dumfriesh, Scotland
Janet GLENDINNING Dau 11 Scholar Dumfriesh, Scotland
Robert GLENDINNING Son 8 Scholar Dumfriesh, Scotland
Walter GLENDINNING Son 5 Scholar Wembley, Middlesex
Agnes GLENDINNING Dau 3 Wembley, Middlesex
Margaret GLENDINNING Dau 3 Wembley, Middlesex
Florence GLENDINNING Dau 1 Wembley, Middlesex


I'd like a look up please for the family in 1871. Possibly in Ruthwell, Dumfries.

Thanks.

Dave

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

1871 census
James Glendinning
Age: 39
Born abt. abt 1832 Mouswald, Dumfriesshire
Occ: Shepherd
Spouse : Agnes Glendinning

Reg no: 846
RD: Ruthwell
Civil Parish: Ruthwell
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Comlongon Mains Cottages

ED: 1
Household no: 50
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_185

James Glendinning 39
Agnes Glendinning 27 [b. abt. 1844 Eldwick, Selkirkshire]
William Glendinning 6 [b. Glasgow]
John Glendinning 4 [b. Ruthwell]
Janet Glendinning 2 [ do ]

James/Agnes ages a bit out from 1881.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Yes, ages out in one or both but that's the family.

Arrived September 1889 'Oroya' Sydney and family Reel 2143
GLENDENNING Agnes 46
and 11 children

Death 14123/1923 GLENDENNING AGNES (- SCOTT) 78 YEARS PENRITH PENRITH

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Probably this one - Eldwick = Ettrick

Agnes Scott
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 30 Nov 1843
christening: 29 Mar 1844 , ETTRICK, SELKIRK, SCOTLAND
residence: 1843 Ettrick, Selkirk, Scotland
parents: William Scott, Agnes Proudfoot

 

[DaveHam9]

James Glendinning
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 12 Jun 1831
christening: 17 Jun 1831 , MOUSEWALD, DUMFRIES, SCOTLAND
residence: 1831 Mousewald, Dumfries, Scotland
parents: David Glendinning, Janet Ferguson


So, did James die in Scotland or did he arrive before the family?


Also, if I have the right baptisms then I expected to see sons named David and William. No sign of a David. First two daughters fit as Agnes and Janet. If David was the first he would have been born before the marriage.

 

[horse]

James Glendinning
Death: 1916
Father: David
Mother: N S
Reg year: 1916
Reg Place: Penrith, New South Wales
Reg no: 12869

Geoff

 

[horse]

7071/1911 GLENDINNING JAMES JAMES AGNES PARRAMATTA
12869/1916 GLENDINNING JAMES DAVID N S PENRITH

Geoff

 

[horse]

Hmmm...

J Glendinning
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Age: 63
Dep: London
Arr: Sydney, New South Wales
Arrival Date: 8 Apr 1886
Vessel Name: Iberia
Origin Location: Great Britain
[On his own]

Geoff

 

[horse]

Hmmm...

J Glendinning
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Age: 63
Dep: London
Arr: Sydney, New South Wales
Arrival Date: 8 Apr 1886
Vessel Name: Iberia
Origin Location: Great Britain
[On his own]

Geoff

Ooops! He's a seaman... redf)

Edit: could still be related..

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

1831 fits with age in 1871 so I think that is the right baptism for James senior.

I can't find a birth for a son James.

Neither death in Ryerson so no quick way to get age at death.

Can't see a notice in TROVE for James senior.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Monday 3 September 1923 p.8
DEATHS
GLENDENNING.-September 2, 1923, at a private hospital Penrith, and of Perkins-road, Rooty Hill, Agnes, relict of the late James Glendenning, aged 78 years.

 

[DaveHam9]

Age at death fits so looks like the right baptism for Agnes.

 

[horse]

Looks good, but no easy answers on this one...

 

[DaveHam9]

A tree has the arrival for James as 1886 but no vessel named.

It also suggests son William was born before the marriage. No mention of a son David born before William.

 

[horse]

NSW - Assisted..
Agnes Glendenning
Birth Year: abt 1843
Age: 46
Arrival Date: 16 Sep 1889
Vessel Name: Oroya
[Janet 20, Agnes 11, Maggie 11, Florence 10, Thomas 6, Edith 6, Percy 5, James 4 - John 22, Robert 17, Walter 13]

Geoff

 

[horse]

One of them may have married twice ...

 

[DaveHam9]

Nepean Times (Penrith, NSW : 1882 - 1962) - Saturday 5 August 1916 p.3
James Glendenning.
We regret to have to record the
death at his late residence, Rooty
Hill, on Saturday morning last (28th
inst.), at about quarter past twelve, of
Mr James Glendenning, a venerable
and highly esteemed resident of Rooty
Hill and well known throughout the
Nepean and Parramatta districts. The
late Mr Glendenning was a native of
Dumfrieshire, Scotland, and had at-
tained the patriarchial age of 87 years
—the date of his birth being 12th
June, 1829. Mr Glendenning, who
had been connected with the sheep
breeding industry in England, Wales
and Scotland since his boyhood, came
to Australia with his eldest son in
1887, his family's place of residence
at the time being 'Subdury,'' near
Harrow, England ...

... The interment was in the Presbyterian portion of Rooty Hill General Cemetery,
on Sunday afternoon last, Rev. Geo. Milne officiating. Mr. J. T. Huxley had charge of the funeral arrangements.


12 June 1831

A very long article.


One tree says 1886 and that says 1887.

One tree says he died on 29th and that says 28th.

 

[horse]

Birth dates are all over the place

 

[horse]

Hmmm...

J Glendinning
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Age: 63
Dep: London
Arr: Sydney, New South Wales
Arrival Date: 8 Apr 1886
Vessel Name: Iberia
Origin Location: Great Britain
[On his own]

Geoff

Maybe this is him, perhaps cost effective to travel as a crewman!

Geoff

 

[horse]

One of the trees has a John Sprootfoot Scott Glendinning b.1867 Ruthwell..

John, Robert and Walter are on the same ship but appear to be travelling apart from the others

John Glendinning
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 16 Sep 1889
Vessel Name: Oroya

Oh! They are unassisted...

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Perhaps not as crew, Geoff.

William is not on the 1889 list so he arrived with William.

One tree has William b. 1863 not 1865.