My maternal grandfather William Menzies GRAY, a plumber, migrated to South Africa from Edinburgh (Portobello) in the late 1800s. His father, Adam GRAY (m. Margaret DAVIE) was a master plumber (1901 address 65 Promenade, Portobello, Edinburgh, 1871 address 5 Leven Terrace). Adam was the son of John GRAY (Gamekeeper / Baron Officer according to census returns) and Pringle SANDERSON. I'd love some info on my grandfather's siblings, especially his brother John Davie GRAY, who probably had an earlier marriage before being widowed and for a while at least also lived in South Africa, and married his brother's sister-in-law (my grandmother's sister). According to various sources, my grandfather's siblings were John Davie GRAY (b. 1860), Agnes M GRAY (about 1862), Janet Pringle GRAY (1864), George Davie GRAY (1866), Adam GRAY (1869), Margaret Simpson Davie GRAY (1874 - I have details of her marriage to MILLER and subsequent family), Clarkson C GRAY (About 1876), Isabelle E GRAY (about 1878), Adeline F GRAY (about 1879) and Caroline GRAY (about 1882).
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GRAY family 19th C plumbers Edinburgh
- Thread starter AlanH
- Start date
1871
Name:
John Gray
Age:
23
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1848
Relationship:
Head
Spouse's name :
Helen Gray
Gender:
Male
Where born:
duddingston, Midlothian
Registration Number:
684/2
Registration district:
Duddingston
Civil Parish:
Duddingston
County:
Midlothian
Address:
Sheep Head Lasorn
Occupation:
Mason
ED:
1
Household schedule number:
36
LINE:
23
Roll:
CSSCT1871_155
Household Members:
Name
Age
John Gray 23
Helen Gray 28
John Gray 1
--------------------------
John Henry Nibbs Gray
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Apr 1848
Christening Place: , DUDDINGSTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 30 Mar 1848
Father's Name: John Gray
Mother's Name: Pringle_ Sanderson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11684-6 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1066685 , Reference ID: 2:17HS3P7
----------------------------------------
John Gray
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1869
Birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: John Gray
Mother's Name: Helen Mill
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11685-2 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
-------------------------------------
John Gray
Spouse's Name: Helen Mill
Event Date: 11 Dec 1868
Event Place: Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11685-3 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
Ellie
Name:
John Gray
Age:
23
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1848
Relationship:
Head
Spouse's name :
Helen Gray
Gender:
Male
Where born:
duddingston, Midlothian
Registration Number:
684/2
Registration district:
Duddingston
Civil Parish:
Duddingston
County:
Midlothian
Address:
Sheep Head Lasorn
Occupation:
Mason
ED:
1
Household schedule number:
36
LINE:
23
Roll:
CSSCT1871_155
Household Members:
Name
Age
John Gray 23
Helen Gray 28
John Gray 1
--------------------------
John Henry Nibbs Gray
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Apr 1848
Christening Place: , DUDDINGSTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 30 Mar 1848
Father's Name: John Gray
Mother's Name: Pringle_ Sanderson
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11684-6 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1066685 , Reference ID: 2:17HS3P7
----------------------------------------
John Gray
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1869
Birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: John Gray
Mother's Name: Helen Mill
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11685-2 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
-------------------------------------
John Gray
Spouse's Name: Helen Mill
Event Date: 11 Dec 1868
Event Place: Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11685-3 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
Ellie
Helen Mill c1843 Glencorse, Midlothian.Funny not finding a Birth.
Elizabeth Helen Gray
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 08 Dec 1874
Birthplace: DUDDINGSTON,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: John Gray
Mother's Name: Helen Mill
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11684-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
-----------------------------------
Pringle Sanderson Gray
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 19 Apr 1871
Birthplace: DUDDINGSTON,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: John Gray
Mother's Name: Helen Mill
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11684-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
-----------------------------------
Mary Mill
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 07 Apr 1859
Birthplace: LEITH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: James Mill
Mother's Name: Helen Mill
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11692-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
Ellie
Elizabeth Helen Gray
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 08 Dec 1874
Birthplace: DUDDINGSTON,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: John Gray
Mother's Name: Helen Mill
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11684-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
-----------------------------------
Pringle Sanderson Gray
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 19 Apr 1871
Birthplace: DUDDINGSTON,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: John Gray
Mother's Name: Helen Mill
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11684-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
-----------------------------------
Mary Mill
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 07 Apr 1859
Birthplace: LEITH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: James Mill
Mother's Name: Helen Mill
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11692-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
Ellie
1881
Name:
John Henry Nibbs Gray
Age:
33
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1848
Relationship:
Head
Spouse's name :
Helen Gray
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Duddingston, Midlothian
Registration Number:
684/2
Registration district:
Duddingston Landward
Civil Parish:
Duddingston
County:
Midlothian
Occupation:
Mason
ED:
1
Household schedule number:
65
LINE:
16
Roll:
cssct1881_278
Household Members:
Name
Age
John Henry Nibbs Gray 33
Helen Gray 38
John Gray 11 -c1870St Giles Parish, Midlothian
Pringle Sanderson Gray 9 -c1872Duddingston, Midlothian
Elizabeth Helen Gray 6 -c1875Duddingston, Midlothian
Janet Gray 4 -c1877Duddingston, Midlothian
Margaret Gray 1 -c1880 Duddingston, Midlothian
After 1875 no IGI records
Ellie
Name:
John Henry Nibbs Gray
Age:
33
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1848
Relationship:
Head
Spouse's name :
Helen Gray
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Duddingston, Midlothian
Registration Number:
684/2
Registration district:
Duddingston Landward
Civil Parish:
Duddingston
County:
Midlothian
Occupation:
Mason
ED:
1
Household schedule number:
65
LINE:
16
Roll:
cssct1881_278
Household Members:
Name
Age
John Henry Nibbs Gray 33
Helen Gray 38
John Gray 11 -c1870St Giles Parish, Midlothian
Pringle Sanderson Gray 9 -c1872Duddingston, Midlothian
Elizabeth Helen Gray 6 -c1875Duddingston, Midlothian
Janet Gray 4 -c1877Duddingston, Midlothian
Margaret Gray 1 -c1880 Duddingston, Midlothian
After 1875 no IGI records
Ellie
1861
Name:
Helen Mill
Age:
18
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1843
Relationship:
Servant (Employee)
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Penicuick, Midlothian
Registration Number:
684/1
Registration district:
Portobello
Civil Parish:
Duddingston
County:
Midlothian
Address:
12 West Brighton Crut
Occupation:
Domestic Serv
ED:
7
Household schedule number:
148
LINE:
21
Roll:
CSSCT1861_123
Household Members:
Name
----------------------------------------
1851
Name:
Helen Mill
Age:
8
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1843
Relationship:
Daughter (Child)
Father:
John Mill
Mother:
Elizabeth Mill
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Glanavon, Midlothian
Parish Number:
687
Civil Parish:
Glencorse
Town:
Dalmore Cottages
County:
Midlothian
Address:
Dalmore Cottages
Occupation:
Scholar
ED:
2
Page:
4
Household schedule number:
15
LINE:
20
Roll:
CSSCT1851_186
Household Members:
Name
Age
John Mill 45 -c1806Torryburn, fifeshire-Paper Mill Lab
Elizabeth Mill 45 -c1806Lasswade, Midlothian
George Mill 20 -c1831Edinburgh, Midlothian-Paper Mill Lab
Peter Mill 16 -c1835Fineshade, Midlothian-Peter Mill Lab
Margaret Mill 14 -c1837Fineshade, Midlothian
Helen Mill 8 -
John Mill 4 -c1847Glanavon, Midlothian
Ellen
Name:
Helen Mill
Age:
18
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1843
Relationship:
Servant (Employee)
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Penicuick, Midlothian
Registration Number:
684/1
Registration district:
Portobello
Civil Parish:
Duddingston
County:
Midlothian
Address:
12 West Brighton Crut
Occupation:
Domestic Serv
ED:
7
Household schedule number:
148
LINE:
21
Roll:
CSSCT1861_123
Household Members:
Name
----------------------------------------
1851
Name:
Helen Mill
Age:
8
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1843
Relationship:
Daughter (Child)
Father:
John Mill
Mother:
Elizabeth Mill
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Glanavon, Midlothian
Parish Number:
687
Civil Parish:
Glencorse
Town:
Dalmore Cottages
County:
Midlothian
Address:
Dalmore Cottages
Occupation:
Scholar
ED:
2
Page:
4
Household schedule number:
15
LINE:
20
Roll:
CSSCT1851_186
Household Members:
Name
Age
John Mill 45 -c1806Torryburn, fifeshire-Paper Mill Lab
Elizabeth Mill 45 -c1806Lasswade, Midlothian
George Mill 20 -c1831Edinburgh, Midlothian-Paper Mill Lab
Peter Mill 16 -c1835Fineshade, Midlothian-Peter Mill Lab
Margaret Mill 14 -c1837Fineshade, Midlothian
Helen Mill 8 -
John Mill 4 -c1847Glanavon, Midlothian
Ellen
Name: John Mill
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Wilson
Event Date: 24 May 1829
Event Place: Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11984-6 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1066694
----------------------------------------
1841
Name:
John Mill
Age:
35
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1806
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Scotland
Civil Parish:
Penicuik
County:
Midlothian
Address:
Kirkhill
Occupation:
Baker J
Parish Number:
697
Household Members:
Name
Age
John Mill 35
Elizabeth Mill 35
George Mill 10
Janet Mill 8
Peter Mill 6
Margaret Mill 4
Ellie
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Wilson
Event Date: 24 May 1829
Event Place: Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11984-6 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1066694
----------------------------------------
1841
Name:
John Mill
Age:
35
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1806
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Scotland
Civil Parish:
Penicuik
County:
Midlothian
Address:
Kirkhill
Occupation:
Baker J
Parish Number:
697
Household Members:
Name
Age
John Mill 35
Elizabeth Mill 35
George Mill 10
Janet Mill 8
Peter Mill 6
Margaret Mill 4
Ellie
http://www.nls.uk/family-history/directories/post-office
Some of your Ancesters should be in these.
Ellie
Some of your Ancesters should be in these.
Ellie
John Gray
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 Aug 1859
Birthplace: DUDDINGSTON,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Adam Gray
Mother's Name: Margaret Davie
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11684-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
It is common to add Mother's maiden surname after marriage.
Ellie
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 Aug 1859
Birthplace: DUDDINGSTON,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Adam Gray
Mother's Name: Margaret Davie
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11684-1 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 6035516
It is common to add Mother's maiden surname after marriage.
Ellie
Any Scottish records after the 1901 Census on Ancestry, have to be paid for.
www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Ellie
www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Ellie
Thanks for all the feedback Ellie! Regarding John Henry Nibbs GRAY and Helen MILL, I must admit to being surprised at how many times I have found in my various families marriages in which the wife was a substantial number of years the elder (my own folks were a case in point, Dad born 1914 and Mom in 1909).
Also, in all my research so far I have not managed to establish where the Nibbs name comes from - his maternal grandparents as far as I can establish were DUNN and JOHNSTON.
John had a sister Janet Urr GRAY (b. 1831), and I am also at a loss as to where the Urr comes from.
Cheers, Alan
Also, in all my research so far I have not managed to establish where the Nibbs name comes from - his maternal grandparents as far as I can establish were DUNN and JOHNSTON.
John had a sister Janet Urr GRAY (b. 1831), and I am also at a loss as to where the Urr comes from.
Cheers, Alan
Have you got Pringle Sanderson's parents.
1841
Name:
Thomas Sanderson
Age:
55
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1786
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Scotland
Civil Parish:
Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County:
Midlothian
Address:
Potterrow 60
Occupation:
Mason I & Grocer
Parish Number:
685/2
Household Members:
Name
Age
Thomas Sanderson 55
Joan Sanderson 20
Allison Brown 55
Ellie
1841
Name:
Thomas Sanderson
Age:
55
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1786
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Scotland
Civil Parish:
Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County:
Midlothian
Address:
Potterrow 60
Occupation:
Mason I & Grocer
Parish Number:
685/2
Household Members:
Name
Age
Thomas Sanderson 55
Joan Sanderson 20
Allison Brown 55
Ellie
Thomas Sanderson
Gender:
Male
Wife: Margaret Johnston
Daughter: Pringle_ Sanderson
Other information in the record of Pringle_ Sanderson
from Scotland, Births and Baptisms
Name: Pringle_ Sanderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 01 Feb 1807
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 12 Jan 1807
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnston
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:18689P6
Wonder if this Pringle Sanderson died, or I may have skipped a generation.IE a son named Thomas having your Pringle Sanderson who marr.John Gray
.
Ellie
Gender:
Male
Wife: Margaret Johnston
Daughter: Pringle_ Sanderson
Other information in the record of Pringle_ Sanderson
from Scotland, Births and Baptisms
Name: Pringle_ Sanderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 01 Feb 1807
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 12 Jan 1807
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnston
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:18689P6
Wonder if this Pringle Sanderson died, or I may have skipped a generation.IE a son named Thomas having your Pringle Sanderson who marr.John Gray
.
Ellie
Thomas Sanderson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 22 Aug 1813
Christening Place: , LIBERTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1813
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnston
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11693-6 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067783 , Reference ID: 2:185JJGX
---------------------------------
Peter Sanderson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Jul 1811
Christening Place: , LIBERTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1811
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnston
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11693-6 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067783 , Reference ID: 2:185J9BW
---------------------------------
John Sanderson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Jul 1809
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 11 Jul 1809
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnstone
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:1868DBF
--------------------------------------
Janet Sanderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 24 May 1801
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 08 May 1801
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnstone
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:18684WK
Do stop me if you have this info.I do go on when i'm on a roll
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 22 Aug 1813
Christening Place: , LIBERTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1813
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnston
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11693-6 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067783 , Reference ID: 2:185JJGX
---------------------------------
Peter Sanderson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 14 Jul 1811
Christening Place: , LIBERTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1811
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnston
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11693-6 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067783 , Reference ID: 2:185J9BW
---------------------------------
John Sanderson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Jul 1809
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 11 Jul 1809
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnstone
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:1868DBF
--------------------------------------
Janet Sanderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 24 May 1801
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 08 May 1801
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnstone
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:18684WK
Do stop me if you have this info.I do go on when i'm on a roll
Catharine Sanderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 02 Sep 1804
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1804
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnstone
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:1868785
-------------------------------------
Margaret Sanderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 07 Nov 1802
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1802
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnstone
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:18685PH
-------------------------------------
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 02 Sep 1804
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1804
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnstone
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:1868785
-------------------------------------
Margaret Sanderson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 07 Nov 1802
Christening Place: , NEWTON, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1802
Father's Name: Thomas Sanderson
Mother's Name: Margaret Johnstone
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11696-5 , System Origin: Scotland-VR , GS Film number: 1067787 , Reference ID: - 2:18685PH
-------------------------------------
Name: John Sanderson
Spouse's Name: Mary Denholm
Event Date: 27 Jan 1826
Event Place: Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse's Father's Name: David Denholm
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11693-9 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1067784
-----------------------------------
Attach to Family Tree
Spouse's Name: Mary Denholm
Event Date: 27 Jan 1826
Event Place: Liberton,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse's Father's Name: David Denholm
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11693-9 , System Origin: Scotland-ODM , GS Film number: 1067784
-----------------------------------
Attach to Family Tree
Hi Ellie
No ways would I ever stop a genealogy fan on a roll!
I possibly have some of the info and probably not all, so a big thank you.
Very difficult to concentrate and check while baby-sitting 2 little grandkids in faraway Australia while daughter prepares for a major exam, but as I am planning a first-ever trip to Scotland in September, I want to try to reactivate my research so that my 'pilgrimage' to ancestral roots can have more meaning, and especially in the hope of tracking down a distant cousin or two with family history interests to link up with.
So if I don't acknowledge all your inputs, it's only due to difficulty in finding time at the computer!
Cheers
Alan
No ways would I ever stop a genealogy fan on a roll!
I possibly have some of the info and probably not all, so a big thank you.
Very difficult to concentrate and check while baby-sitting 2 little grandkids in faraway Australia while daughter prepares for a major exam, but as I am planning a first-ever trip to Scotland in September, I want to try to reactivate my research so that my 'pilgrimage' to ancestral roots can have more meaning, and especially in the hope of tracking down a distant cousin or two with family history interests to link up with.
So if I don't acknowledge all your inputs, it's only due to difficulty in finding time at the computer!
Cheers
Alan
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