GRAY & MUMBY families

[DaveHam9]

Marriages Sep Qtr 1848
Gray John St. Martin 1 161
MUMBY Sarah St. Martin 1 161


Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 290; Reel 2460, [4/4914]
GRAY John 32 'Steadfast' 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle and wife
GRAY Sarah 22 'Steadfast' 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle and husband

Arrived 26 Mar 1849
John 32 Machine Maker Roxburgh Andrew & Isabel mother dead father in Roxburgh Wesleyan Both None Good None Paid £12
Sarah 22 Dressmaker Barnet le Wold Lincolnshire Mumby John & Sarah Barnet le Wold Wesleyan Both None Good None

Deaths in northern NSW:
8609/1879 GRAY SARAH - JOHN M - ? - DIED CASINO RICHMOND RIVER
953/1904 GRAY JOHN - ANDREW - ISABEL - CASINO


I'd like a look up please for John & Sarah MUMBY in 1841 and 1851.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Even if age not rounded down to 40 this would just fit:

Piece: SCT1841/793 Place: Kelso -Roxburghshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Kelso Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 4 Page: 39
Address: Roxburgh Street East Side
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GRAY Andrew M 40 Baker Roxburghshire
GRAY Isabella F 38 Wife Roxburghshire
GRAY Ann F 14 Roxburghshire
GRAY Jane F 12 Roxburghshire
GRAY James M 10 Roxburghshire
GRAY Elliot M 8 Roxburghshire
GRAY Andrew M 6 Roxburghshire
GRAY Thomas M 3 Roxburghshire

 

[DaveHam9]

This proves it's not the right family:

Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 20
Civil Parish: St David's Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 548 Page: 4 Schedule: 14
Address: 409 Parliamentary Road
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GRAY Andrew Head M M 54 Baker (Master) Roxburghshire - Kelso
GRAY Isabella Wife M F 51 Roxburghshire - Kelso
GRAY Ann E Dau U F 22 Shop Keeper Roxburghshire - Kelso
GRAY James Son U M 20 Journeyman Baker Roxburghshire - Kelso
GRAY Elliotte Son U M 18 Apprentice Coach Maker Roxburghshire - Kelso
GRAY Andrew Son U M 17 Apprentice Grocer Roxburghshire - Kelso
GRAY Thomas Son U M 12 At School Roxburghshire - Kelso


So where is Andrew GRAY in 1841? I've tried GREY and GRAY and left age open.

 

[DaveHam9]

This one but it looks as if he has a 2nd spouse:

Piece: SCT1841/795 Place: Lilliesleaf -Roxburghshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Lilliesleaf Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Lilliesleaf
Folio: 1 Page: 10
Address: Lilliesleaf Village
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GRAY Andrew M 56 Agricultural Labour Roxburghshire
GRAY Jean F 40 Outside Census County (1841)
GRAY James M 15 Stocking Maker Apprentice Outside Census County (1841)
GRAY Cathrine F 13 Outside Census County (1841)
GRAY Isabella F 10 Roxburghshire


and the same with this one:

Piece: SCT1841/803 Place: Roxburgh -Roxburghshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Roxburgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 5 Page: 5
Address: Roxburgh
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GRAY Andrew M 58 Labourer Roxburghshire
GRAY Agnes F 51 Roxburghshire
GRAY Helen F 10 Roxburghshire

 

[DaveHam9]

Extracted record:

Sarah Mumby
christening: 20 June 1825 Barnetby-le-Wold, Lincolnshire
- parents John Mumby & Sarah

 

[DaveHam9]

Sarah Mumby c. 20 June 1825 Barnetby-le-Wold, Lincolnshire
John Mumby & Sarah

1841
HO107 Piece 627 Book/Folio 6/16 Page 13
Civil Parish: Barnetby-le-Wold
County: Lincolnshire
Registration District: Glanford Brigg
John Mumby 45 Ag lab
Sarah 40
William 8
George 5

I'd like a look up please for daughter Sarah in 1841. She married in St Martin in 1848.

 

[horse]

Do you have Sarah's mother as Sarah Leeson?

Geoff

 

[horse]

Interesting, apart from Ralph, none of Sarah's siblings can be found in 1841 with certainty, unless I've overlooked something

 

[DaveHam9]

Do you have Sarah's mother as Sarah Leeson?

Geoff

All I have Geoff is in post #1. :biggrin:

I don't have her maiden name so Leeson is news to me. I didn't even know there was a Ralph.

 

[horse]

All I have Geoff is in post #1. :biggrin:

I don't have her maiden name so Leeson is news to me. I didn't even know there was a Ralph.

As usual 2/3 trees with varied info

 

[DaveHam9]

Is the Gray family any easier to follow or are the trees just a bad?

 

[horse]

The Gray tree is much more well-documented, but nothing for either in 1841

 

[DaveHam9]

From the tree can you say any of the Gray family census I posted would fit?

 

[horse]

There are 2 main trees but they point to Anc. trees as sources, so they are as bad...

However, I'll see if I can match anything...

 

[horse]

Two of the main trees:

1.
Andrew Gray 1782-1861 b. Roxburgh
Isabel Landreth 1789-1841 do

Offspring
Thomas b. 1812
George b. 1814
John W b. 1817
William Balmer 1819-1904
Adam b 1821

2.
Andrew = same
Isabel = same except d. 1849

Offspring
George b. 1814
John W b. 1817
Adam b. 1821
Margaret b. 1826
Helen b. 1830

Geoff

 

[horse]

Sending you a story, more about Australia though...

Geoff

 

[horse]

Piece: SCT1841/803 Place: Roxburgh -Roxburghshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Roxburgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 5 Page: 5
Address: Roxburgh
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GRAY Andrew M 58 Labourer Roxburghshire
GRAY Agnes F 51 Roxburghshire
GRAY Helen F 10 Roxburghshire

This looks good but so does this...

1851
Parish Number: 803
Civil Parish: Roxburgh
Town: Roxburgh Dr
County: Roxburghshire
Address: Roxbr Village
ED: 2; Page: 8; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1851_203

Andrew Gray 68 [b. Hounam, Roxburgh. Labourer]
Agnes Gray 62 wife[b. Roxburgh]
Adam Gray 29 [So;V] [do. Solicitor's Annuitant]
Adam Hogg 29 lodger

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff but shipping record and death reg have John's parents as Andrew and Isabella. So are we saying Agnes is 2nd spouse and Isabella died before 1841 census?

So Helen born 1830 would fit if we can find a baptism record with mother's name.

 

[horse]

I think Isabel died before 1841, that 1841 census looks good... not found her death or a 2nd mar. yet

 

[DaveHam9]

Helen Gray
birth: 13 September 1830
christening: 17 October 1830 , ROXBURGH, ROXBURGH, SCOTLAND
residence: 1830 Roxburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland
father: Andrew Gray
mother: Isabel Landuth