Griffin family history

[Chris Godfrey]

Hello I was wondering If you could help me.

I am currently researching my friends from works family history and I've hit a wall because I think the locations of births that he has provided are wrong.
I currently have the below.

Steven Griffin born 23/9/91 Salford
Father - Simon Paul Griffin 20/7/1968 Salford married to Candy Patricia Griffin

Grand father - Gerarld Patrick Griffin 10/May/1947 - Salford married to Ann Yardley

Great Grandfather - William Griffin 26/Jan/1909, died Jan 1978 Salford married to Mary Elizabeth Kennedy

Great Great Grandfather- Patrick Griffin potentially 1888? Possibly outside of Salford. Potentially married to Susannah Griffin

I was wondering if you could guide me a little bit and confirm if I am on the right lines.
Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thank you very much

 

[DaveHam9]

Births Jun Qtr 1947
Griffin Gerald P - Kennedy - Salford 10f 1013

No proof up or down is correct yet.

Marriages Mar Qtr 1929
Griffin William - Kennedy - Salford 8d 534
Kennedy Mary E - Griffin - Salford 8d 534

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Hi Dave. Thank you for confirming what you have so far. Much appreciated

 

[DaveHam9]

Births Sep Qtr 1968
GRIFFIN SIMON PAUL - YARDLEY - SALFORD 10F 771


Marriages Sep Qtr 1967
GRIFFIN GERALD - YARDLEY - SALFORD 10F 1188
YARDLEY ANN - GRIFFIN - SALFORD 10F 1188

Marriages on FreeBDM end at 1985 and births 1986.

 

[Chris Godfrey]

I'm also finding it difficult locating birth certs on ancestry. Would that be because they weren't recorded?. Trying to confirm that the line is accurate

 

[DaveHam9]

If this one

GRIFFIN, WILLIAM - SHIRLEY
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 121

then possibly

Marriages Mar Qtr 1896
GRIFFIN Patrick Salford 8d 176
Shirley Mary Salford 8d 176

 

[DaveHam9]

No, I presume all sites have a cut off period for births and marriages.

 

[Chris Godfrey]

So William Griffins mothers name is shirley ok great. That is different to what I originally had so thank you

 

[DaveHam9]

Someone could possibly check my work.

Possibly these.

Marriages Sep Qtr 1870
Griffin Daniel Salford 8d 121
Harrop Sarah Lydia Salford 8d 121

GRIFFIN, PATRICK AMBROSE - HARROP
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 91

 

[DaveHam9]

If the 1909 birth is correct.

Usually not good enough to rely only on birth and marriage reg.

Would usually check siblings for matching mmn and check census.

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Thank you again Dave. Much appreciated

 

[DaveHam9]

Someone could possibly check my work.

Possibly these.

Marriages Sep Qtr 1870
Griffin Daniel Salford 8d 121
Harrop Sarah Lydia Salford 8d 121

GRIFFIN, PATRICK AMBROSE - HARROP
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 91

There is a problem there.

Possibly the wrong birth and wrong marriage.

If Patrick was not born in RD Salford and if 1896 marriage is correct then a birth for Patrick??

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Which one is incorrect the Griffin-Harrop one

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes. Birth is before the marriage.

If it was correct birth it would either have no mmn or would add 'Occassional copy A' meaning a correction was made eg by adding father's name.
Or birth reg in mother's maiden name with no mmn.

If 1896 marriage is correct we need a birth for a Patrick (perhaps not RD Salford) old enough. 12x born Lancashire.

Do you know if we might be looking for RC events?

 

[DaveHam9]

England and Wales Census, 1911
FS leaves out all the details for some reason
Household Role *** Age Birthplace
Patrick Griffen Head Male 43 Ireland Kilkem Co, County Kilkenny
Mary Griffen Wife Female 38 Ireland Co Kilkens, County Kilkenny
Sarah Griffen Daughter Female 13 Salfords, Lancashire
Josephine Griffen Daughter Female 11 Salfords, Lancashire
James Griffen Son Male 8 Salfords, Lancashire
Alice Griffen Daughter Female 6 Salfords, Lancashire
Mary Griffen Daughter Female 1 Salford, Lancashire
William Griffen Son Male 2 Salford, Lancashire
Johanna Shirley Boarder Female 69 Ireland Kilke Co, County Kilkenny
William Shirley Boarder Male 32 Liverpool, Lancashire

The sequence both ways from 1909 birth needs checking.

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Yes. Birth is before the marriage.

If it was correct birth it would either have no mmn or would add 'Occassional copy A' meaning a correction was made eg by adding father's name.
Or birth reg in mother's maiden name with no mmn.

If 1896 marriage is correct we need a birth for a Patrick (perhaps not RD Salford) old enough. 12x born Lancashire.

Do you know if we might be looking for RC events?

Sorry Dave what are RC events?

 

[DaveHam9]

Roman Catholic. There are records that might fit on Lancs OPC with some details in Latin.

One of the UK-based members can pick this up.

Dave

 

[Chris Godfrey]

Oh I have seen these. Thank you again for your help Dave